parents weekend flying info needed

[TXaviator]

ok so how does this work

i got a woefully uninformative flyer telling me when sign up times are and when the safety meetings are

but whats the other restrictions? i heard its like patterns only or something???

anyone who has done flying on this weekend know the scoop?

[CAFFEINE]

When you go to the safety meeting they will tell you all the restrictions, but a few years ago you could fly around in the practice areas but only do landings at GFK.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

When you go to the safety meeting they will tell you all the restrictions, but a few years ago you could fly around in the practice areas but only do landings at GFK.

suppose thats alright. i know i wouldnt really feel safe with a zillion vfrs coming shooting into some of these uncontrolled fields around here all at the same time....

a little jaunt to fargo would be nice though.

[Stinger]

I flew during Parent's Weekend last year, and you sign up for the time of the day you want to fly. At the safety meeting, they just go over the procedures you need to follow and what you can and can't do in the plane. If the weather is good, you will be able to go out to the practice areas and fly around, but I don't think you are supposed to do any basic maneuvers like slow flight, stalls, etc.

On the day I went up last year, it was foggy so they restricted us to the pattern only. It wasn't too bad because we were, I believe, the first plane up. We did three touch-and-go's and then called it a day.

Right after we went, the SOF did let a few planes go to the practice area, but their reports were even worse visibility than at the airport. It was pattern only for the rest of the day.

[av8or91]

I think you have to go up with your instructor and do stalls and slowflight and maybe some emergencies too before you can take your parents or friends up. Also you must be current in make and model.

[JaceTheAce]

You must perform 10 hours of flight time in make and model of aircraft plus 20 hours of ground instruction reviewing the SOPs of UND Aerospace within the preceding one week of the flight. You also are prohibited from performing banks exceeding 10 degrees, penetrating within 100 miles of a cloud, flying with ceilings of 25,000 or below, stalls, abrupt maneuvers, zero flap landings, landings with crosswind components exceeding 0.011145 knots, saying a peep during the entire duration of the flight, and cameras will be found and confiscated prior to the flight. Parents must only sit in the rear seats of the aircraft as to not touch any buttons or flight controls. Having any sort of fun is STRICTLY PROHIBITED and anyone found to have any fun on the Parent's Weekend flights will be expelled from UND. Thank you.

[XcalibeR]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

You must perform 10 hours of flight time in make and model of aircraft plus 20 hours of ground instruction reviewing the SOPs of UND Aerospace within the preceding one week of the flight. You also are prohibited from performing banks exceeding 10 degrees, penetrating within 100 miles of a cloud, flying with ceilings of 25,000 or below, stalls, abrupt maneuvers, zero flap landings, landings with crosswind components exceeding 0.011145 knots, saying a peep during the entire duration of the flight, and cameras will be found and confiscated prior to the flight. Parents must only sit in the rear seats of the aircraft as to not touch any buttons or flight controls. Having any sort of fun is STRICTLY PROHIBITED and anyone found to have any fun on the Parent's Weekend flights will be expelled from UND. Thank you.

The sad part is that at least a few of those things are true...

[oktex88]

I just got UND bubble current! Yay!!

Now just two more meetings to attend to do a flight that I'm already certified to make!

[juxtapilot]

Don't forget to get a current wind endorsment!

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by oktex88

I just got UND bubble current! Yay!!

Now just two more meetings to attend to do a flight that I'm already certified to make!

yeah that really gets me. how silly. here, let me pay for another hour of instruction on something im already certified as able to do.

[Micaoct]

If you want to take your parents up...why not just go to Flight Support. A hell of a lot less painful then following UND's stupid rules. Plus you don't have to wait for parents weekend to go...you can go anytime...much easier imho.

I really don't get what the fuss about parents weekend is.

Also checkout is free at GFKFS if you are done with a certain stage check. (Stage 20 221 for the cadet, If I'm not mistaken and 70 323 for the arrow) you don't have to do the flight part, and the ground takes 1 hour. Super painless, no point jumping through hoops for UND to take your parents up.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by Micaoct

If you want to take your parents up...why not just go to Flight Support. A hell of a lot less painful then following UND's stupid rules. Plus you don't have to wait for parents weekend to go...you can go anytime...much easier imho.

I really don't get what the fuss about parents weekend is.

Also checkout is free at GFKFS if you are done with a certain stage check. (Stage 20 221 for the cadet, If I'm not mistaken and 70 323 for the arrow) you don't have to do the flight part, and the ground takes 1 hour. Super painless, no point jumping through hoops for UND to take your parents up.

it was my impression that you still had to pay for the checkout flight....could be totally wrong though.

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

it was my impression that you still had to pay for the checkout flight....could be totally wrong though.

Free 4 UND

[BuickCFI]

Do they actually have any instructors to check people out? they were looking a while ago

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

yeah that really gets me. how silly. here, let me pay for another hour of instruction on something im already certified as able to do.

INSURANCE! und's insurance only covers normal day to day ops. to get their insurance to ok 2 days of flying people outside of the organization they had to implement everything else they do to make it possible.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

INSURANCE! und's insurance only covers normal day to day ops. to get their insurance to ok 2 days of flying people outside of the organization they had to implement everything else they do to make it possible.

i realize its an insurance issue and we already have cheap insurance, etc etc

doesnt mean it isnt still silly

[Snickersnwa]

Originally Posted by oktex88

I just got UND bubble current! Yay!!

Now just two more meetings to attend to do a flight that I'm already certified to make!

You know... those meetings and things really aren't that bad of an idea...

There are a lot of relatively inexperienced pilots flying around that time in such a small place, and parents/small kids that will be all over. Also, seems to me that this meeting would help answer some of the OP’s questions... .

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

You know... those meetings and things really aren't that bad of an idea...

There are a lot of relatively inexperienced pilots flying around that time in such a small place, and parents/small kids that will be all over. Also, seems to me that this meeting would help answer some of the OP’s questions... .

never said theyre a bad idea. in fact, probably LOTS of "real world" GA pilots could use some safety meetings like that too. just saying its kindof weird/frustrating to get certified as a competent pilot but still get babied around.

[airplanerik]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

never said theyre a bad idea. in fact, probably LOTS of "real world" GA pilots could use some safety meetings like that too. just saying its kindof weird/frustrating to get certified as a competent pilot but still get babied around.

Go anywhere as a "certified/competent pilot" and you are most likely going to have to do at least a check out. Even if you have flown the plane for thousands of hours. It's all insurance. Yeah, it might be silly... but get used to it.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by airplanerik

Go anywhere as a "certified/competent pilot" and you are most likely going to have to do at least a check out. Even if you have flown the plane for thousands of hours. It's all insurance. Yeah, it might be silly... but get used to it.

yes i understand that everywhere has checkouts... im just saying that we would think since we are enrolled here, fly the planes here day in day out, as long as youre current here, you would also thus be considered "checked out"...

but thats not the case.

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

You know... those meetings and things really aren't that bad of an idea...

There are a lot of relatively inexperienced pilots flying around that time in such a small place, and parents/small kids that will be all over. Also, seems to me that this meeting would help answer some of the OP’s questions... .

Precisely why I won't be flying around during Parent's weekend...

Originally Posted by TXaviator

never said theyre a bad idea. in fact, probably LOTS of "real world" GA pilots could use some safety meetings like that too. just saying its kindof weird/frustrating to get certified as a competent pilot but still get babied around.

Welcome to UND sir!

[Farva]

Look while I understand your frustration with having to go to a couple of meetings and go up for a Profiency Check with a instructor it is only for your safety as well as the school. The reason being insurance. Lets say you were not very current, but enrolled in a flight course, took your parents up flying without a checkout even though you flown UND's planes lots of times, and you had a accident. Somebody got hurt or even if nobody got hurt the school would be sued for negligence. Now this is most likely a situation that is not gonna happen but it could if we did not have these barriers.

The insurance is not cheap at UND by all means. Aviation is a dangerous field and well as snickers and some other have pointed out, the insurance is only regulated to Flight Training and the employeed flight instructing staff. If you are a student you are not on the insurance policy like the flight instructors are. As a student you fall under the flight training policy and last I checked taking your parents up is not a flight training event. It may be stupid, it may be overkill, but its makes for a much safer flight and you know what it youst to be you could do stalls, steep turns, and land at other UND approved airports but some dumb people had to ruin it for all of us. My two cents.


-Farva

[TXaviator]

seriously we cant go to other airports? hmm, i might rethink my flying for that weekend and go the flight support route. flying around in circles (not in an acrobatic fashion) doesnt sound that interesting to me.

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

seriously we cant go to other airports? hmm, i might rethink my flying for that weekend and go the flight support route. flying around in circles (not in an acrobatic fashion) doesnt sound that interesting to me.

no other airports, unless it has changed in the last 5 years.

[Snickersnwa]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

seriously we cant go to other airports? hmm, i might rethink my flying for that weekend and go the flight support route. flying around in circles (not in an acrobatic fashion) doesnt sound that interesting to me.

You could bring your instructor along and land at different airports .