flight training at FBO or UND

eric6887 · March 23rd, 2008, 23:31

I'm a junior in high school and am considering attending UND. I got my PPL last August. I was planning on starting my instrument training at my FBO but I just found out that if I get my instrument rating I would have to retake the whole thing at UND. Should I just get my instrument rating and the rest of my certificates at the FBO instead or should I wait and get my flight training at UND?
What do you guys sugest?

Farva · March 23rd, 2008, 23:55

Its all about what you put into it. I personally liked the UND program even though there are some outdated polices it still is a very good program. But going part 61 for your ratings is a good way to go but you will have to work at it. If you want to take a career to the airlines or to a large corporate flight department it might be difficult going the part 61 route not so much that you wont get good training but rather getting a foot in the door may be harder where as UND we have Alumini that help put the foot in the door for ya so when the time comes to get a job you still have to work but you dont have to work so hard that you get frustrated. If you are looking at a career of professional instructing UND will provide you a great proving ground to do that. Part 61 world can do the same but like I have said will require alot of work and finding your customers. Hope this helps and PM me if you have any questions.

-Farva

Snickersnwa · March 24th, 2008, 00:01

I'd recommend using the search feature if you haven't already to find a ton of opinions on this subject.

It all comes down to personal preference though. If you chose to attend UND's aviation program you'll have to go through a private pilot test course (which includes taking the private pilot ground school with the rest). You'd have to take a test course for the instrument/ other ratings too if you come into the program with those already. There are a ton of pros/cons for attending a FBO vs. UND (or other school) and visa versa. Totally your choice.

I came to UND, did my flight training here, and instructed here as well. It was a great fit for me. I recommend coming to visit the school to see for yourself if it’s what you want.

Farva · March 24th, 2008, 00:13

Touche Snickers..........Check the place out. I instructed there and did most of my training there and well it was a good place for me. It my not be for you. good luck.

juxtapilot · March 24th, 2008, 02:58

Do it all at the FBO... UND won't give you an instrument rating for a looooong time...

Snickersnwa · March 24th, 2008, 09:54

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Originally Posted by juxtapilot

Do it all at the FBO... UND won't give you an instrument rating for a looooong time...

Keep in mind the flight time requirements to get your commercial too... UND is a part 141 school, so you can get your commercial at 190 hours. Part 61 requires 250 hours of total flight time. So, you may have to "wait" to get your commercial multi instrument ticket after completing your multi course here at UND, but you'll do it in less flight time...

JaceTheAce · March 24th, 2008, 13:37

I'd highly recommend going the FBO route if you already have your private. Do NOT go to UND in your situation. You will also spend an arm and a leg to go there now that they dramatically raised their prices exponentially since I started there. Even though you can get your CSMEL-Instrument in 190 hours instead of 250, you'll still pay more money through the laptop program, various program fees, and the higher fees spent on UND airplane rental and flight instructor fees.

eric6887 · March 24th, 2008, 19:02

Also if I do go to UND and major in commercial flight would you guys recomend getting another major so that I would have something to fall back on? And about how long does it take to do a double major?

Snickersnwa · March 24th, 2008, 20:05

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Originally Posted by eric6887

Also if I do go to UND and major in commercial flight would you guys recomend getting another major so that I would have something to fall back on? And about how long does it take to do a double major?

Do what interests you. If you're interested in something else, it really isn't too tough to do a second major/minor (I can't speak for it myself, but have many friends that have done it).

As for how long will it take?... It can be done in 4 years or less. Do you want to spend the summers up here taking classes, or taking bigger credit loads? Enjoy it though - college is a great time!

Snickersnwa · March 24th, 2008, 20:09

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I'd highly recommend going the FBO route if you already have your private. Do NOT go to UND in your situation. You will also spend an arm and a leg to go there now that they dramatically raised their prices exponentially since I started there. Even though you can get your CSMEL-Instrument in 190 hours instead of 250, you'll still pay more money through the laptop program, various program fees, and the higher fees spent on UND airplane rental and flight instructor fees.

To each his own. Scholarships and such can decrease some of the cost

. The added structure of the program adds some benefit too for most.

TXaviator · March 25th, 2008, 12:29

whoaaaaaa wait a second here.

im 3 lessons from finishing course 325 but youre saying im STILL not gonna get my COMM/MULT/INST until 190hrs??

i might be GRADUATING before that!!!!

i am going to be finishing 325 at about 170 hours.

BuickCFI · March 25th, 2008, 12:38

do a flight record report for your entire COM course under aims(select every single block), look at the bottom at the deficiencies. if you are short anywhere you will need to do more time, if not you are good to go AFAIK

TXaviator · March 25th, 2008, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

do a flight record report for your entire COM course under aims(select every single block), look at the bottom at the deficiencies. if you are short anywhere you will need to do more time, if not you are good to go AFAIK

ok im waiting currently to do stage 99

this is what my report says.... looks reasonable to me

Dual Hours 20.0 < 21.0 req
Instrument Hours 6.0 < 7.0 req
ME Dual Hours 20.0 < 21.0 req
Instrument Hours 6.0 < 6.7 req
ME Dual Hours 20.0 < 21.0 req

so yeah i should hit those in the next 2 flights, but whats this 190 hour nonsense someone mentioned??? that would SERIOUSLY screw my wallet.

stuckingfk · March 25th, 2008, 13:02

Someone just said something they knew little about.

The hour requirement to get a commercial under 141 is determined is agreed upon by the FAA and the institution.

Most people at UND who do fairly well and don't fly other places will come in under 190. Go by what the TCO says and you'll never have a problem.

BuickCFI · March 25th, 2008, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXaviator

ok im waiting currently to do stage 99

this is what my report says.... looks reasonable to me

Dual Hours 20.0 < 21.0 req
Instrument Hours 6.0 < 7.0 req
ME Dual Hours 20.0 < 21.0 req
Instrument Hours 6.0 < 6.7 req
ME Dual Hours 20.0 < 21.0 req

so yeah i should hit those in the next 2 flights, but whats this 190 hour nonsense someone mentioned??? that would SERIOUSLY screw my wallet.

good to go!

TXaviator · March 25th, 2008, 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

good to go!

*phew* i was about to have another conniption fit like i did when i found out i had a zillion hours to make up at the end of 323!!!

eric6887 · March 28th, 2008, 23:34

Thanks everyone for your responses.

March 23rd, 2008, 23:31	#1
eric6887 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 46	flight training at FBO or UND I'm a junior in high school and am considering attending UND. I got my PPL last August. I was planning on starting my instrument training at my FBO but I just found out that if I get my instrument rating I would have to retake the whole thing at UND. Should I just get my instrument rating and the rest of my certificates at the FBO instead or should I wait and get my flight training at UND? What do you guys sugest?

March 23rd, 2008, 23:55	#2
Farva Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Henderson NV/ Grand Forks ND Posts: 201	Re: flight training at FBO or UND Its all about what you put into it. I personally liked the UND program even though there are some outdated polices it still is a very good program. But going part 61 for your ratings is a good way to go but you will have to work at it. If you want to take a career to the airlines or to a large corporate flight department it might be difficult going the part 61 route not so much that you wont get good training but rather getting a foot in the door may be harder where as UND we have Alumini that help put the foot in the door for ya so when the time comes to get a job you still have to work but you dont have to work so hard that you get frustrated. If you are looking at a career of professional instructing UND will provide you a great proving ground to do that. Part 61 world can do the same but like I have said will require alot of work and finding your customers. Hope this helps and PM me if you have any questions. -Farva __________________ Commercial AMEL, ASEL, IA, CFI, CFII, CL-65 SIC Type

March 24th, 2008, 00:01	#3
Snickersnwa Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: MSP. GFK -> ONT -> CLE, now back to GFK Posts: 645	Re: flight training at FBO or UND I'd recommend using the search feature if you haven't already to find a ton of opinions on this subject. It all comes down to personal preference though. If you chose to attend UND's aviation program you'll have to go through a private pilot test course (which includes taking the private pilot ground school with the rest). You'd have to take a test course for the instrument/ other ratings too if you come into the program with those already. There are a ton of pros/cons for attending a FBO vs. UND (or other school) and visa versa. Totally your choice. I came to UND, did my flight training here, and instructed here as well. It was a great fit for me. I recommend coming to visit the school to see for yourself if it’s what you want.

March 24th, 2008, 00:13	#4
Farva Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Henderson NV/ Grand Forks ND Posts: 201	Re: flight training at FBO or UND Touche Snickers..........Check the place out. I instructed there and did most of my training there and well it was a good place for me. It my not be for you. good luck. __________________ Commercial AMEL, ASEL, IA, CFI, CFII, CL-65 SIC Type

March 24th, 2008, 02:58	#5
juxtapilot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 691	Re: flight training at FBO or UND Do it all at the FBO... UND won't give you an instrument rating for a looooong time... __________________ Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams

March 24th, 2008, 13:37	#7
JaceTheAce Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Most of the time in the air Posts: 7,347	Re: flight training at FBO or UND I'd highly recommend going the FBO route if you already have your private. Do NOT go to UND in your situation. You will also spend an arm and a leg to go there now that they dramatically raised their prices exponentially since I started there. Even though you can get your CSMEL-Instrument in 190 hours instead of 250, you'll still pay more money through the laptop program, various program fees, and the higher fees spent on UND airplane rental and flight instructor fees. __________________ "Time spent flying is not deducted from one's lifespan." Free The Grapes!

March 24th, 2008, 19:02	#8
eric6887 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 46	Re: flight training at FBO or UND Also if I do go to UND and major in commercial flight would you guys recomend getting another major so that I would have something to fall back on? And about how long does it take to do a double major?

March 25th, 2008, 12:29	#11
TXaviator Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Austin, TX / Grand Forks, ND Posts: 2,147	Re: flight training at FBO or UND whoaaaaaa wait a second here. im 3 lessons from finishing course 325 but youre saying im STILL not gonna get my COMM/MULT/INST until 190hrs?? i might be GRADUATING before that!!!! i am going to be finishing 325 at about 170 hours. __________________ CPL AMEL-I 194 TT / 25 ME ...and a pulse.

March 25th, 2008, 12:38	#12
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 1,796	Re: flight training at FBO or UND do a flight record report for your entire COM course under aims(select every single block), look at the bottom at the deficiencies. if you are short anywhere you will need to do more time, if not you are good to go AFAIK __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

March 25th, 2008, 13:02	#14
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,578	Re: flight training at FBO or UND Someone just said something they knew little about. The hour requirement to get a commercial under 141 is determined is agreed upon by the FAA and the institution. Most people at UND who do fairly well and don't fly other places will come in under 190. Go by what the TCO says and you'll never have a problem.

March 28th, 2008, 23:34	#17
eric6887 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 46	Re: flight training at FBO or UND Thanks everyone for your responses.

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