How 'bout that wind today?

[BuickCFI]

snapped this pic with my craptacular camera on my phone today when cruising back to GFK.

highlights:
1. level
2. 200kt gs
3. PA28R
4. Instruments indicate level
5. power 25^2
6. missed the airspeed, but it was indicating 130

wow!

[Stinger]

What...no Garmin?

[BuickCFI]

i think all airplanes should have a bendix king stack. maybe ours students might have some situational awareness when it comes to IFR, maybe that is just my opinion.....

[juxtapilot]

I thought most of the Arrows were just Bendix?

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by juxtapilot

I thought most of the Arrows were just Bendix?

half are. this one had a garmin MFD in it though

[UAL747400]

I'm so ignorant with the bendix GPS it's almost laughable. I just never got much experience with the thing. I will say that when I use the garmin GPS I pretty much never have a moving map up. On cross countries with my students, I don't even let them use it until the last leg, if that depending how the rest of the legs go.

[Micaoct]

Good, generally too much emphasis is placed on GPS and moving map. People need to learn how to really use VOR's and other navigational equipment including pilotage and deadreconing.

In 221 I did my first REAL pilotage/deadreconing flight when my instructor turned off the GPS and made me fly with nothing but my sectional, we didn't use the VOR's either. It was a REALLY beneficial flight and it really opened my eyes. It was great and I was more accurate like that then using the GPS...probaly because I was paying more attention. Nothing like sectional, plotter, and your E6B. We flew at like 2000 feet and it was at dusk, plus it was all the way from park rapids to Grand Forks. I really wish instructors would push students to learn more and get more experience. It's those type of things that your aren't fully sure and 100% confident where you actually build up and become more confident, and a better pilot as well.

[av8or91]

Is that pic from sioux 89 AKA P.O.S. I was just out saturday with it and the stall horn got stuck while we were doing slow flight. We couldnt pull the breaker either so I had to listen to it for and hour.

[the_dmn8tr]

It certainly isn't N809ND. That one doesn't even have an HSI, but it is nice not using the Sioux callsign and being exposed to something else.

[BuickCFI]

this was in '79

bendix king is a great GPS, i learned how to fly with a King stack all the way thru my training actually. i stayed pretty much 1 semester ahead of the garmins until i got to CFII then i was in the Glass. Note i did switch between the 2, but always took a bendix if i had the choice. The Garmins were starting to trickle in and by the time the WARR's were 1/2 and 1/2 i was in 222 (2003) the arrow's were pretty much all Bendix and the SEMI's were as well when i was in 325

i have a 222 student this fall and i am not even going to teach them how to load a GPS overlay until we do the GPS lesson. GPS partial panel = no moving map. actually most of the flights will be no moving map. there is far too much emphasis on it and it really shows in the later courses because the student can't maintain situational awareness w/o a moving map

[aloft]

Originally Posted by Micaoct

Good, generally too much emphasis is placed on GPS and moving map. People need to learn how to really use VOR's and other navigational equipment including pilotage and deadreconing.

I agree with you somewhat, but it wasn't too long ago that people said the same thing about ADF. The smart money is on mastering the methods most likely to be used going forward, not ones on their way out. In that light, I wouldn't say TOO much emphasis is placed on GPS and moving map. It's certainly important to know the basics, but the future is all electronic and I've seen way too many people that only know how to punch in a direct-to on the GPS. If you're gonna use technology, you've gotta learn it and know it like the back of your hand.

[Micaoct]

Yup I agree, but my comment was aimed more at UND environment. People tend to use nothing but GPS and moving map for cross countries and such and if the GPS did happen to fail they would be out of luck. Learning how to use future technology is definitly important and it should be a skill that must be mastered but when you are super good in one area and you lack in basic fundamentals that tends to be a problem.

I do have to admit, I am guilty of this a while back but I see the light now. If you have nothing to do and are just following the line on the GPS, that's not even close to accurate and it's an opportunity for learning.

UND is a training environment, you learn how to use the GPS but if you just use the GPS that defeats the training part.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by Micaoct

Yup I agree, but my comment was aimed more at UND environment. People tend to use nothing but GPS and moving map for cross countries and such and if the GPS did happen to fail they would be out of luck. Learning how to use future technology is definitly important and it should be a skill that must be mastered but when you are super good in one area and you lack in basic fundamentals that tends to be a problem.

I do have to admit, I am guilty of this a while back but I see the light now. If you have nothing to do and are just following the line on the GPS, that's not even close to accurate and it's an opportunity for learning.

UND is a training environment, you learn how to use the GPS but if you just use the GPS that defeats the training part.

I use moving maps like you use four wheel drive in a car. It's best to drive in 2wd mode until you get stuck and then 4wd to get you out.(if you can control this function) I do the same with moving maps. I use CDIs as much as possible and then flip to a moving map if I feel really disoriented, or I think safety is about to go south.

I NEVER omit the gps for navigation. That's throwing away a valuable tool, which isn't the best thing to do in normal situations. Training, yes it's good to learn and know how to fly with out it. But once you get past 222, emphasis should be put on utilizing all your resources at once at all times. I usually keep it on CDI pages or something other than the moving map though.