So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt...

ChadW346 · December 3rd, 2007, 20:50

And I feel good about it.

Stinger · December 3rd, 2007, 21:10

Last year I changed my major to ATC around Thanksgiving time. I'll be continuing with my math major also so I'll stay pretty busy.

What led you to the switch?

Micaoct · December 3rd, 2007, 21:12

Cool!

I switched myself from Aviation Mgmt. to Entrepreneurship and Commercial Aviation a few weeks ago. I'm gonna try to double major since that will be more beneficial for me. Technically I haven't applied for Commercial yet so I'm just Entrepreneurship right now, need to do that but I'm not sure where to go for that.

I came to here for aviation so I might as well get a Aerospace degree and a separate Business degree. I'm interested in the idea of Entrepreneurship, so I think that's a good fit for me.

Oh and good luck on the Safety Final on Wednesday.

ChadW346 · December 3rd, 2007, 21:22

Haha thanks. That final should be REALLY TOUGH!

As far as the switch, I've heard the usual advice about non-aviation degrees, or majoring in aviation management, and just really chose to ignore it, as I have been pretty dead set on what I want to do for a career. However, the more I have been reading about the industry (airlines, in particular) lately, the more I think it would be a great idea to diversify my skills, and in turn open up more options for the future. Plus, I am starting to see the light that says the CRJ course may really not be worth the $3,000+, and if a regional tells me "Hey re-apply once you've taken the RJ course" like I've heard that they've said to others, then I would seriously consider some other more attractive forms of employment.

Sure, not getting the CFI/CFII is a down-side to it, but I can always do those later, if I really want to. The main reason I made the switch now though was because if I did it any later, I may have to stay at UND longer, so right now seemed like the best time. I had been weighing this stuff for a while, and I really want to make the switch. It feels good because I really like the program here, and feel like I would really be getting the most of my education by making the switch.

BuickCFI · December 3rd, 2007, 21:52

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Originally Posted by ChadW346

Haha thanks. That final should be REALLY TOUGH!

As far as the switch, I've heard the usual advice about non-aviation degrees, or majoring in aviation management, and just really chose to ignore it, as I have been pretty dead set on what I want to do for a career. However, the more I have been reading about the industry (airlines, in particular) lately, the more I think it would be a great idea to diversify my skills, and in turn open up more options for the future. Plus, I am starting to see the light that says the CRJ course may really not be worth the $3,000+, and if a regional tells me "Hey re-apply once you've taken the RJ course" like I've heard that they've said to others, then I would seriously consider some other more attractive forms of employment.

Sure, not getting the CFI/CFII is a down-side to it, but I can always do those later, if I really want to. The main reason I made the switch now though was because if I did it any later, I may have to stay at UND longer, so right now seemed like the best time. I had been weighing this stuff for a while, and I really want to make the switch. It feels good because I really like the program here, and feel like I would really be getting the most of my education by making the switch.

definetly get your CFI/CFII it is well worth it

ChadW346 · December 3rd, 2007, 21:58

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

definetly get your CFI/CFII it is well worth it

Yeah I agree that it would be. The thing I'm hung up on right now is whether I want to do it here or somewhere else, or whether I'll change my mind about going the airline route and actually getting there by building time as a CFI. It's definitely a valuable way to build time, and I'm definitely not making this move to bypass it. I'm just going to wait and see how I feel and if any new opportunities open up when the time comes.

AngelFuree · December 3rd, 2007, 22:52

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

definetly get your CFI/CFII it is well worth it

Ditto.

BuickCFI · December 3rd, 2007, 23:10

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Originally Posted by ChadW346

Yeah I agree that it would be. The thing I'm hung up on right now is whether I want to do it here or somewhere else, or whether I'll change my mind about going the airline route and actually getting there by building time as a CFI. It's definitely a valuable way to build time, and I'm definitely not making this move to bypass it. I'm just going to wait and see how I feel and if any new opportunities open up when the time comes.

i realize it is more expensive here, but IMHO it is one of the few courses here that is truly worth the money

ChadW346 · December 3rd, 2007, 23:28

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

i realize it is more expensive here, but IMHO it is one of the few courses here that is truly worth the money

Sounds good. I will definitely keep that in mind.

CRJ700 · December 4th, 2007, 00:10

I switched over to Aviation Management like you a couple years ago. My only suggestion is to try and get the business classes out of the way. I stupidly took all the aviation classes first so now I'm getting into business overload.

JaceTheAce · December 4th, 2007, 00:26

I majored in Aviation Management and enjoyed the business courses immensely. I began to enjoy Accounting after 201 and especially liked Finance. Operations Management was a BITCH because of all the class projects, but I got a lot out of it. The only class I really disliked was Strategic Management, only because of the instructor. That was too bad because I enjoyed the subject, just not attending the classes.

My advice is to NOT major in Commercial Aviation. I am suggesting to all new students who still have the opportunity to change their major to change it to either Aviation Management and add in CFI and CFII, OR major in a subject that you enjoy and in a curriculum that can provide a backup alternative career in the event that you lose your medical or get furloughed. One of the two will happen in your career. If you chose a non-aviation major all you have to do is minor in Professional Flight and your Financial Aid process to fund your aviation expenses will be unaffected. For example, you can major in Electrical Engineering and minor in Professional Flight.

I know that when we are young we tend to avoid planning for the distant future. But, realize that the time might come where you lose your aviation medical, you have 3 kids to support, a wife who wants you to buy her a Coach purse or threatens to divorce, etc...and your degree may not allow you to enter into a career alternative to aviation. I'm just trying to get you to think about your future well-being.

TXaviator · December 4th, 2007, 14:33

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Originally Posted by ChadW346

Yeah I agree that it would be. The thing I'm hung up on right now is whether I want to do it here or somewhere else, or whether I'll change my mind about going the airline route and actually getting there by building time as a CFI. It's definitely a valuable way to build time, and I'm definitely not making this move to bypass it. I'm just going to wait and see how I feel and if any new opportunities open up when the time comes.

gimme a break. theres NO reason to CFI right now unless you do actually enjoy educating. if you do, cool. if youre like the rest of us and are here to fly, not teach, theres SOOOO MANY JOBS RIGHT NOW.

theres plenty of jobs right now that you can "build time" in that are multi-turbine. just need to look a little further than UND flight ops.

ChadW346 · December 4th, 2007, 15:09

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

gimme a break. theres NO reason to CFI right now unless you do actually enjoy educating. if you do, cool. if youre like the rest of us and are here to fly, not teach, theres SOOOO MANY JOBS RIGHT NOW.

theres plenty of jobs right now that you can "build time" in that are multi-turbine. just need to look a little further than UND flight ops.

Yeah, and it's not something that I've looked into enough right now to be able to even make that judgment. I'm still just going into 222 next semester, so I have to time to make a decision on the CFI thing. I do believe though that there is value in becoming a CFI, and working as one as well. However, all I know right now is that I really see a need to gain more skills/qualifications alongside ratings, but I really like aviation as well, so this seems to be a nice fit, to say the least.

When I was at SIU, I was part of their Aviation Management Society, and we invited a lot of graduates back to tell us about their jobs that they were able to get. Some of them had lost medicals. Some had just found better opportunities outside of regional airline/airline flying. The jobs they had were actually really cool, and they were things that I never even knew existed. I would feel comfortable having the luxury of more choices, and this would really help with that.

BuickCFI · December 5th, 2007, 00:36

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

gimme a break. theres NO reason to CFI right now unless you do actually enjoy educating. if you do, cool. if youre like the rest of us and are here to fly, not teach, theres SOOOO MANY JOBS RIGHT NOW.

theres plenty of jobs right now that you can "build time" in that are multi-turbine. just need to look a little further than UND flight ops.

what about me then? i am CFI'ing for 3 reasons:

1. I enjoy it
2. I want to fly 135 freight and need 1200 hours
3. I make 2-2.5x first year pay at a regional.

CAFFEINE · December 5th, 2007, 09:27

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

gimme a break. theres NO reason to CFI right now unless you do actually enjoy educating. if you do, cool. if youre like the rest of us and are here to fly, not teach, theres SOOOO MANY JOBS RIGHT NOW.

theres plenty of jobs right now that you can "build time" in that are multi-turbine. just need to look a little further than UND flight ops.

There is a lot more value to instructing than just building time. You'd wouldn't believe how much you learn by instructing.

AngelFuree · December 5th, 2007, 14:17

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Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

There is a lot more value to instructing than just building time. You'd wouldn't believe how much you learn by instructing.

Ditto.

I didn't realize how much you can learn by instructing. It's weird how it happens. I'm really enjoying it.

CAFFEINE · December 5th, 2007, 17:38

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Ditto.

I didn't realize how much you can learn by instructing. It's weird how it happens. I'm really enjoying it.

Good to hear man. What are your plans? Are you going to keep instructing at UND or flee to a warmer locale?

Snickersnwa · December 5th, 2007, 20:17

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

gimme a break. theres NO reason to CFI right now unless you do actually enjoy educating. if you do, cool. if youre like the rest of us and are here to fly, not teach, theres SOOOO MANY JOBS RIGHT NOW.

theres plenty of jobs right now that you can "build time" in that are multi-turbine. just need to look a little further than UND flight ops.

Please speak for yourself

. I think most enjoy passing on what they love to do... some more than others.

It's not just about building time either, but more so what you learn in the process of gaining that time.

Where are these jobs that you can get multi-turbine right after completing multi?

Snickersnwa · December 5th, 2007, 20:18

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I didn't realize how much you can learn by instructing. It's weird how it happens. I'm really enjoying it.

Glad to hear it man!

BuickCFI · December 5th, 2007, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

Please speak for yourself

. I think most enjoy passing on what they love to do... some more than others.

It's not just about building time either, but more so what you learn in the process of gaining that time.

Where are these jobs that you can get multi-turbine right after completing multi?

Regional?

Snickersnwa · December 5th, 2007, 23:01

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

Regional?

I guess I might have been reading into that part of it thinking he was talking other than some regionals...

TXaviator · December 5th, 2007, 23:03

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

what about me then? i am CFI'ing for 3 reasons:

1. I enjoy it

in my opinion, this is why people should instruct. if youre not in it to actually teach someone, do the rest of us a favor and stop instructing!! (not directed at you, but definitely directed at some of my previous instruction i have received)

Snickersnwa · December 5th, 2007, 23:07

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

...if youre not in it to actually teach someone, do the rest of us a favor and stop instructing!!

Yup, agree 100%.

TXaviator · December 5th, 2007, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

Please speak for yourself

. I think most enjoy passing on what they love to do... some more than others.

It's not just about building time either, but more so what you learn in the process of gaining that time.

Where are these jobs that you can get multi-turbine right after completing multi?

fedex feeder flying metros from the right seat (which is what a buddy of mine is doing right now) to name just one.

and ok, i will speak for myself, but i will also say that i see many guys go right to CFI'ing because its like "youre supposed to" to "build hours" or something.

it pisses me off like none other when i see or get 'instruction' from someone who a) doesnt want to be instructing, and b) probably does not have much experience to draw on other than simply passing the tests for CFI. sure they have the book knowledge and can satisfactorily pass the test. but is that someone i really want training future pilots? in my opinion, NO!!!

the industry as a whole needs to make CFI'ing a valued and viable career choice to train the HOARDS of new pilots out there, instead of a pitstop along the way to something else.

UAL747400 · December 5th, 2007, 23:11

To be honest, a tiny part of me still looked at flight instructing as a stepping stone when I got hired. I value the time I spend instructing SO much now. The learning curve is near straight up, and you just become a better pilot IMO. I'm in no way saying that you won't get there by not flight instructing, but I think a higher level of knowledge and skill is acquired more quickly if you flight instruct a little.

I agree though, that not everyone has to flight instruct and shouldn't if they don't truly want to.

December 3rd, 2007, 20:50	#1
ChadW346 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: KGFK Posts: 208	So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt... And I feel good about it.

December 3rd, 2007, 21:10	#2
Stinger Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Montana/UND Posts: 429	Re: So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt... Last year I changed my major to ATC around Thanksgiving time. I'll be continuing with my math major also so I'll stay pretty busy. What led you to the switch? __________________ Air Traffic Controller's motto----If the clouds are low and thick, pick up the phone and call in sick.

December 3rd, 2007, 21:12	#3
Micaoct Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: KGFK/KPDX Posts: 313	Re: So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt... Cool! I switched myself from Aviation Mgmt. to Entrepreneurship and Commercial Aviation a few weeks ago. I'm gonna try to double major since that will be more beneficial for me. Technically I haven't applied for Commercial yet so I'm just Entrepreneurship right now, need to do that but I'm not sure where to go for that. I came to here for aviation so I might as well get a Aerospace degree and a separate Business degree. I'm interested in the idea of Entrepreneurship, so I think that's a good fit for me. Oh and good luck on the Safety Final on Wednesday.

December 3rd, 2007, 21:22	#4
ChadW346 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: KGFK Posts: 208	Re: So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt... Haha thanks. That final should be REALLY TOUGH! As far as the switch, I've heard the usual advice about non-aviation degrees, or majoring in aviation management, and just really chose to ignore it, as I have been pretty dead set on what I want to do for a career. However, the more I have been reading about the industry (airlines, in particular) lately, the more I think it would be a great idea to diversify my skills, and in turn open up more options for the future. Plus, I am starting to see the light that says the CRJ course may really not be worth the $3,000+, and if a regional tells me "Hey re-apply once you've taken the RJ course" like I've heard that they've said to others, then I would seriously consider some other more attractive forms of employment. Sure, not getting the CFI/CFII is a down-side to it, but I can always do those later, if I really want to. The main reason I made the switch now though was because if I did it any later, I may have to stay at UND longer, so right now seemed like the best time. I had been weighing this stuff for a while, and I really want to make the switch. It feels good because I really like the program here, and feel like I would really be getting the most of my education by making the switch.

December 4th, 2007, 00:10	#10
CRJ700 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: BOS/GFK Posts: 297	Re: So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt... I switched over to Aviation Management like you a couple years ago. My only suggestion is to try and get the business classes out of the way. I stupidly took all the aviation classes first so now I'm getting into business overload.

December 4th, 2007, 00:26	#11
JaceTheAce Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,421	Re: So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt... I majored in Aviation Management and enjoyed the business courses immensely. I began to enjoy Accounting after 201 and especially liked Finance. Operations Management was a BITCH because of all the class projects, but I got a lot out of it. The only class I really disliked was Strategic Management, only because of the instructor. That was too bad because I enjoyed the subject, just not attending the classes. My advice is to NOT major in Commercial Aviation. I am suggesting to all new students who still have the opportunity to change their major to change it to either Aviation Management and add in CFI and CFII, OR major in a subject that you enjoy and in a curriculum that can provide a backup alternative career in the event that you lose your medical or get furloughed. One of the two will happen in your career. If you chose a non-aviation major all you have to do is minor in Professional Flight and your Financial Aid process to fund your aviation expenses will be unaffected. For example, you can major in Electrical Engineering and minor in Professional Flight. I know that when we are young we tend to avoid planning for the distant future. But, realize that the time might come where you lose your aviation medical, you have 3 kids to support, a wife who wants you to buy her a Coach purse or threatens to divorce, etc...and your degree may not allow you to enter into a career alternative to aviation. I'm just trying to get you to think about your future well-being. __________________ "Time spent flying is not deducted from one's lifespan." Free The Grapes!

December 5th, 2007, 23:11	#25
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: So, I'm changing my major to Aviation Mgmt... To be honest, a tiny part of me still looked at flight instructing as a stepping stone when I got hired. I value the time I spend instructing SO much now. The learning curve is near straight up, and you just become a better pilot IMO. I'm in no way saying that you won't get there by not flight instructing, but I think a higher level of knowledge and skill is acquired more quickly if you flight instruct a little. I agree though, that not everyone has to flight instruct and shouldn't if they don't truly want to. __________________

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