Ramp checks

[Micaoct]

Is anyone else getting ramp checked every time they fly? In my last two flight I had two ramp checks, I'm afraid to step out on the ramp, it's almost like they watch me and when I step out it's like sharks coming for fresh meat. It doesn't take long but it's just annoying and why is it that I keep getting checked.

Yeah and I had to repeat my call sign 500x today too. Weird day...but I did my first instrument approach so that was really fun, made it all worth it.

[airplanerik]

Originally Posted by Micaoct

Is anyone else getting ramp checked every time they fly? In my last two flight I had two ramp checks, I'm afraid to step out on the ramp, it's almost like they watch me and when I step out it's like sharks coming for fresh meat. It doesn't take long but it's just annoying and why is it that I keep getting checked.

Yeah and I had to repeat my call sign 500x today too. Weird day...but I did my first instrument approach so that was really fun, made it all worth it.

I've never been ramp checked, aside from one time Dana coming up and asking if my student and I had everything. I said, "Yep, we've got it all" and he left!

And that is after going through 102, 221, 222, 323, 325, 414, 415 + CFIing!
You must just be unlucky when it comes to being ramp checked...or UND might be getting ready for an inspected and just making sure everyone is ready.

[AngelFuree]

Ah...wasn't the TSA coming soon to inspect? (anyone else get the e-mail? or was I just dreaming?) That might be a reason...

I've never been ramp checked either. Seems like you've had bad luck.

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Ah...wasn't the TSA coming soon to inspect? (anyone else get the e-mail? or was I just dreaming?) That might be a reason...

I've never been ramp checked either. Seems like you've had bad luck.

Today i thought?

i have been ramped once and it was at CKN and i was the only one around

[the_dmn8tr]

I got ramp checked my very first flight for 102 and that was it. I remember getting the email about the TSA last year, but every time I see them at the airport it is so they can eat at Wings.

[Screaming_Emu]

I got ramp checked at UND twice in 5 mins by the same person.

He showed up, asked to see policy and procedures and such, I showed them to him he left. I continued the preflight and he showed up 5 mins later with the exact same intro "hi, how's it going? Can I see your policies and procedures and other certificates?"

I was confused...but apparently not as much as he was

[Micaoct]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

I got ramp checked at UND twice in 5 mins by the same person.

He showed up, asked to see policy and procedures and such, I showed them to him he left. I continued the preflight and he showed up 5 mins later with the exact same intro "hi, how's it going? Can I see your policies and procedures and other certificates?"

I was confused...but apparently not as much as he was

Yup same exact thing except it was on a different day. I was asked for safety polices and procedures. Today he checked my safety polices and procedures and my "up to date" sectional. I saw him walking out on the ramp just as I was walking out...I was expecting it, but he went to a different plane...then came to me.

Never got ramp checked in 102. But it seems this week is just not my week. I have a flight tomorrow I'll make sure I'll be ready to start the engine at a moments notice when I see him. He can't get me if my engine is started.

The weird thing is that he didn't ask for my weight and balance or performance or any of my certificates.

[BuickCFI]

i was ramped by one of the FAA guys from the FSDO. as i am climbing out of the plane i see him walking over flashing his badge, i about #### my pants thinking i must of just done something horribly illegal. after he introduced himself he did a very very thorough preflight on the airplane and then inside he checked out my certs. He tried to convince me i couldn't be flight instructing with a Class 2 medical that was on its last few months (of the 36, not the 12)

[taildragger173]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

Today i thought?

i have been ramped once and it was at CKN and i was the only one around

I thought you were ramp checked twice at CKN?

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

I thought you were ramp checked twice at CKN?

oh yeah, i forgot about the second time, must of not made much of an impression on me

[XcalibeR]

Originally Posted by Micaoct

Today he checked my safety polices and procedures and my "up to date" sectional.

I wasn't aware the current charts are required for flights. Expected, recommended, urged, yes, but required? And while we're on the subject of things I should know right off the bat without actually having to ask, student pilots are only required to have their SPC with them when they're soloing, correct? Can't find anywhere in the regs that says they have to have it...

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

I thought you were ramp checked twice at CKN?

You're the Dana of Crookston.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by XcalibeR

I wasn't aware the current charts are required for flights. Expected, recommended, urged, yes, but required? And while we're on the subject of things I should know right off the bat without actually having to ask, student pilots are only required to have their SPC with them when they're soloing, correct? Can't find anywhere in the regs that says they have to have it...

If you look somewhere in the SP&P, it does mention you need a current sectional in your possession for every flight.

One of the only changes I can recall in this area was last year, somewhere around June/July when Grafton airport changed its name to Hutson Field. Apart from that, I can't really recall any changes to the sectional.

They ought to have that NOTAM for that unlit tower southeast of here permanently printed unto the sectional....poor FSS guys have to read that thing in every single phone call. I tell them to skip the unlit tower NOTAM, they usually have a laugh and appreciate it, haha.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

If you look somewhere in the SP&P, it does mention you need a current sectional in your possession for every flight.

One of the only changes I can recall in this area was last year, somewhere around June/July when Grafton airport changed its name to Hutson Field. Apart from that, I can't really recall any changes to the sectional.

They ought to have that NOTAM for that unlit tower southeast of here permanently printed unto the sectional....poor FSS guys have to read that thing in every single phone call. I tell them to skip the unlit tower NOTAM, they usually have a laugh and appreciate it, haha.

so at UND you need the sectional, but "in the real world" you only need information pertaining to the flight, which if you are doing VFR-pilotage, you wouldn't neccessarily need a chart if you are familiar with the area (you could argue.)

right?

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

so at UND you need the sectional, but "in the real world" you only need information pertaining to the flight, which if you are doing VFR-pilotage, you wouldn't neccessarily need a chart if you are familiar with the area (you could argue.)

right?

i would like to see the exact reference, because i wasn't aware of this either.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

i would like to see the exact reference, because i wasn't aware of this either.

yeah every time an instructor has tried to tell me i need this or that chart (which im not planning on using) i have to question it.

the general answer i hear is that the UND SOP's are an extension of the FARs (similar to like a pt 121 op spec) so if it is required by SOP, its equal in the eyes of the FAA.

this came up a few nights ago when i was heading to FSD for 325-86... i was like yeah i dont really need that chart (omaha) as i already looked up the info online.

instructor said we needed a current chart on us for UND compliance.

anyone know whats up?

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

yeah every time an instructor has tried to tell me i need this or that chart (which im not planning on using) i have to question it.

the general answer i hear is that the UND SOP's are an extension of the FARs (similar to like a pt 121 op spec) so if it is required by SOP, its equal in the eyes of the FAA.

this came up a few nights ago when i was heading to FSD for 325-86... i was like yeah i dont really need that chart (omaha) as i already looked up the info online.

instructor said we needed a current chart on us for UND compliance.

anyone know whats up?

i hate to admit, but i have the policies at home and just read through them. there is no such reference




- i do have a 7am flight or briefing in the morning though

[AngelFuree]

i hate to admit, but i have the policies at home and just read through them. there is no such reference"

Before I get jumped on, my mistake was not referencing it as a requirement for all solo flights, only. Dual flights are not specified. I stand corrected.

Reference: 9.5.1 in your P&P. I'm not making it up...

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Before I get jumped on, my mistake was not referencing it as a requirement for all solo flights, only. Dual flights are not specified. I stand corrected.

Reference: 9.5.1 in your P&P. I'm not making it up...

so is my other assertion also correct that if mr FAA comes up to your plane as you are preparing to depart and asks to see current charts, and you state, dont have any with me, going VFR today and I am familiar with the area and/or have supplementary materials/print offs, etc, would that suffice as "available information pertaining to the flight"?

because im sure we all have a friend back home who goes flying without bringing a chart along and a 100lb bag...right?

[TXaviator]

wait a second. i just answered my own question.

in the DECA we dont bring CRAP. we are pure VFR, familiar with the area, and UND allows us to fly that way so it MUST be ok right?

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Before I get jumped on, my mistake was not referencing it as a requirement for all solo flights, only. Dual flights are not specified. I stand corrected.

Reference: 9.5.1 in your P&P. I'm not making it up...

wow, i hit that section and figured it wouldn't be there so i skipped to 10

amazing

[ChadW346]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

so at UND you need the sectional, but "in the real world" you only need information pertaining to the flight, which if you are doing VFR-pilotage, you wouldn't neccessarily need a chart if you are familiar with the area (you could argue.)

right?

Even so, the chart can help you figure out where you are in relation to what practice areas you are in or passing through, so you can make radio calls for everybody else. I personally don't have all the random roads used for boundaries memorized, so the chart is useful for that, at the very least. I don't make the rules, though, but I'm sure whoever does has a justified reason behind bringing something like a chart along. It's not like we absolutely are required to use it, and some people may be able to get by without just fine.

[airplanerik]

Originally Posted by ChadW346

Even so, the chart can help you figure out where you are in relation to what practice areas you are in or passing through, so you can make radio calls for everybody else. I personally don't have all the random roads used for boundaries memorized, so the chart is useful for that, at the very least. I don't make the rules, though, but I'm sure whoever does has a justified reason behind bringing something like a chart along. It's not like we absolutely are required to use it, and some people may be able to get by without just fine.

...Unless you have the kneeboard printout that has all of the practice areas on it!

[ChadW346]

Originally Posted by airplanerik

...Unless you have the kneeboard printout that has all of the practice areas on it!

Ha, I forgot about that. I've actually got mine folded and flipped over to the side with all the frequencies on it, so I don't use it for the practice areas.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by airplanerik

...Unless you have the kneeboard printout that has all of the practice areas on it!

Except for the "not suitable for navigation purposes" thing on it. Bah, I still use it!