Plane Missing

[RyosukeFC]

RIP - and deepest condolences to everyone who knew them.

[UAL747400]

Dammit, this is sad news indeed. What a horrible reminder of how fragile life is.

[Dj To Rule]

I can't remember which professor mentioned it, but I'm sure you all heard this before, that we will have to get used to hearing such news in this industry. RIP. Deepest sympathy to friends and family, with hopes for finding the cause and the cure.

[BuickCFI]

got this in my email this evening, decided to share since i dont' see it yet.

i can honestly say i do get a little teary eyed thinking about it. i just want to know what happened

To all,

This evening we have confirmed the loss of two of our colleagues, Annette Klosterman and Adam Ostapenko, in the Seminole accident. In response to this tragedy, we held a student support assembly in Clifford Hall 210 with members of the UND Crisis Coordination Team. We are offering another session at noon tomorrow (Thursday) in Clifford Hall 210 for any student, staff, or faculty that would like to attend. Our goal is to share information, answer questions, hear your concerns and discuss support services available.

Staff from the UND Counseling Center will be available for drop-in counseling in the Aerospace Learning Center (the Tutoring Lab, Odegard Hall Room 118) throughout the day. The campus chapels are aware of the situation and are available for individuals who wish to use their services.

In this time of loss, it is especially important to take care of yourselves and each other. We realize the grieving process takes time. Please feel free to talk with faculty members or use other resources (Counseling Center, chapels) as you need during this difficult time.

Please share this message with others who may not have received it.

Sincerely,

Kent

[Dj To Rule]

Originally Posted by the_dmn8tr

Seeing them leave dispatch with smiles on their faces makes me sure that they will be smiling down on us in the future.

I don't know them as a close friend, however I saw them while I worked Ryan Hall dispatch. Annette became one of those familiar people who would spend a lot of time and dedicated work instructing. I feel weird seeing them just two days ago, it's gotta be hard seeing their expressions just before their flight.

[JaceTheAce]

This is really sad... I can't believe this has happened.

[JaceTheAce]

The guy who posted this comment needs to be bitch-slapped and corrected:

The pilot Annette Klosterman, the flight instructor was only age 22 ! There have been so many accidents and death with UND Flight program. Maybe the instructors need at least 10 years experience and many more flight hours. Younger students should stay with ground school. Min age 35 for flight instructors ? Tell me your thoughts. Prayers are with family members. Maybe changes need to be made to prevent future disasters ?
gary h
Grand Forks, ND
10/24/2007 8:48 PM

[FlySooner9]

Our prayers are with you from everyone here at OU, RIP

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

The guy who posted this comment needs to be bitch-slapped and corrected:

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance or incompetence. Corrected, yes.

Very sorry for your losses.

[Snickersnwa]

Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

What a very sad day. RIP

Exactly my thoughts

[ZUKO]

Rest in peace. I remember seeing her at the airport a couple times. My friend in 102 had her as an instructor and mentioned on several occasions how great she was. The family will be in my prayers. I can not imagine how hard it is for the familes involved and anyone who knew either one of them.

[saxman66]

Wow, this isn't something I like to hear when coming to visit my old alumni forums. I believe Annette was in the same hiring workshop as I was. I also know several friends were close friends of hers. Sad day for the UND campus.

UND Class of '05

[Bignellyxx]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

The guy who posted this comment needs to be bitch-slapped and corrected:

I agree! I couldn't imagine walking around everyday with that kind of ignorance. I have known Annette since our Freshman year, she is more qualified to fly that plane than most. You would never think this would happen. I don't think i ever saw her unhappy. Never met someone so cheerful everyday. My prayers go out to everyone affected.

[CaptainChris87]

Dude I am spooked and upon reading Antwan's post I got a bit teary eyed. When I was going to UND I think I also rememebr seeign her around. Another thing that is interesting is how Sioux 27 is used in UND's main picture for a seminole. Rest in peace.

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by CaptainChris87

Dude I am spooked and upon reading Antwan's post I got a bit teary eyed. When I was going to UND I think I also rememebr seeign her around. Another thing that is interesting is how Sioux 27 is used in UND's main picture for a seminole. Rest in peace.

was also pipers test bed for the glass cockpit i think?

[AngelFuree]

Yeah, I remember seeing her ever since I got here. Sadly enough, I saw her at Ryan Hall two days ago, again, smiling as the usual self. I never knew her personally, but there are some people who stand out from others on campus, and is sad and spooky knowing you won't ever see them again. Completely unexpected especially for the beautiful night it was to fly. Tonight definitely felt very different. I had never really payed attention looking up at the sky, but with this sad news and flight ops closing, the sky seemed awfully quiet tonight. Freaky.

[Stinger]

I was flying a CRJ (Canadair Regional Jet) that night landing at MSP... it was very, very turbulent in the vicinity of MSP at all altitudes; I couldn't imagine what the ride must have been like in a PA44. I am praying they are found alive and well.
Brian J
Mesa, AZ
10/24/2007 3:59 PM

Maybe the weather wasn't so great after all....

[CaptainChris87]

Originally Posted by Stinger

Maybe the weather wasn't so great after all....

What were the AIRMET's/SIGMETS for that area at the time of the crash? also any Pireps for MSP area?


I've discussed this with some friends, could it be possible it was a leak in the Janitrol Gas Chamber. Perhaps a Carbon Monoxide case?

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by CaptainChris87

What were the AIRMET's/SIGMETS for that area at the time of the crash? also any Pireps for MSP area?


I've discussed this with some friends, could it be possible it was a leak in the Janitrol Gas Chamber. Perhaps a Carbon Monoxide case?

****SPECULATION AHEAD****



well some friends and i kicked around the CO idea, as its the first few fairly cold days, heater hasnt been on in a while, etc.

but its just soooo unlikely that CO would have debilitated both pilots at the same moment....SURELY one would have noticed feeling unwell before the other.

i clicked on the heater a bit the day before and didnt notice anything odd, and im generally pretty intolerant of CO/exhaust fumes....

also, no radio communication? just seems like it had to be something catastrophic, and fast. thats why im so spooked having been in that plane just hours before.

im thinking cabin/electrical fire or structural failure, but again, pure speculation based on very little info. take it for what its worth.

[Dj To Rule]

I'm thinking back to my xc flight from STP to GFK in the Seminole 2 years ago. Then some of my solo xc flights. I remember the erie feeling I got flying a low altitude leg in darkness with no moonlight. The only thing (sad enough) that made me feel good that day was the light of the instruments and nav/gps. Makes me think how creepy and easier it would be to get spatially disoriented over a body of large water.

So wether it was loss of control, or dual engine failure, hypoxia or any other reason, it's all speculation. The sad part is both the student and instructor had experience, and there was two of everything, from engines, gps, to pilots. Makes me think something really unfortunate was the cause.

[BuickCFI]

So wether it was loss of control, or dual engine failure, hypoxia or any other reason, it's all speculation. The sad part is both the student and instructor had experience, and there was two of everything, from engines, gps, to pilots. Makes me think something really unfortunate was the cause.

that is what i am thinking, i won't speculate as to what it might have been, i will wait for the NTSB. no matter what it is a sad few days

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by killbilly

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance or incompetence. Corrected, yes.

Very sorry for your losses.

Concur.

My deepest condolences to family, co-workers, and friends.

[oktex88]

RIP Annette and Adam.
My prayers are with you and your friends and family.



Did anyone see the WDAZ reporter inside Odegard? I think maybe it is too early to be standing in the hallways and asking students if they knew Annette or Adam. As I walked by he was trying to ask a group of us and a girl came up to him and kind of went off on him and told him he needed to leave.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by oktex88

RIP Annette and Adam.
My prayers are with you and your friends and family.



Did anyone see the WDAZ reporter inside Odegard? I think maybe it is too early to be standing in the hallways and asking students if they knew Annette or Adam. As I walked by he was trying to ask a group of us and a girl came up to him and kind of went off on him and told him he needed to leave.

yeah they had a guy with a camera filming the meeting at noon today, jackass was being obnoxious, whispering in the back to someone for a while, turning a floodlight on on the camera, just being a general prick.

i probably would have told him to get ####ed if he dared ask me anything.

[Dj To Rule]

A Civil Air Patrol crew located the airplane in a swamp at about 4:10 p.m. The Todd County Sheriff's Department, Civil Air Patrol crews and firefighters from Browerville and Long Prairie responded to the crash site and located the plane partially submerged in a swamp near Mosswood Drive in Turtle Creek Township in Todd County. The crash site was about a mile from the Morrison County line.
The swamp in which the plane crashed was surrounded by hills and heavy woods. Search and rescue personnel used all-terrain vehicles to get from Mosswood Drive to the crash site.

Google Image..
I highlighted Mosswood Drive
pretty nasty area