Any members here get hired?

BuickCFI · August 11th, 2007, 03:02

just curious if any members of JC were hired this fall

airplanerik · August 11th, 2007, 08:37

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

just curious if any members of JC were hired this fall

Yup, several of us.

Screaming_Emu · August 11th, 2007, 08:52

poor bastards

BuickCFI · August 11th, 2007, 10:14

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Originally Posted by airplanerik

Yup, several of us.

makes me curious as to who as i was one also.

i couldn't believe how many brand new CFI's got hired, not a bad thing, just interesting. made me feel a little out of place

Snickersnwa · August 11th, 2007, 14:16

Congrats guys!

Blue Side Up · August 11th, 2007, 14:49

There are quite a few members that got hired. I am glad the course briefings are over.

CAFFEINE · August 11th, 2007, 23:23

Congrats to everybody hired!

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Originally Posted by Blue Side Up

There are quite a few members that got hired. I am glad the course briefings are over.

If you think those are bad, just wait for the new hire workshops

UAL747400 · August 12th, 2007, 00:21

I'm one of those poor bastards.

I'm pretty stoked.

UAL747400 · August 12th, 2007, 00:23

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Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

If you think those are bad, just wait for the new hire workshops

Yeah, I've already heard. 8-6 on Thursday and Friday if I remember right. Yikes! We all LOVE it though right?

BuickCFI · August 12th, 2007, 02:04

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Originally Posted by UAL747400

Yeah, I've already heard. 8-6 on Thursday and Friday if I remember right. Yikes! We all LOVE it though right?

new hire workshops were this week. fall workshops are next week.

i can't wait to have some SEMI students though

Farva · August 12th, 2007, 17:23

yeah good thing the new hire workshop is over.

UAL747400 · August 13th, 2007, 00:16

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

new hire workshops were this week. fall workshops are next week.

i can't wait to have some SEMI students though

Yeah yeah, you know what I mean.

XcalibeR · August 13th, 2007, 00:42

Between the July and August hiring sessions, ROES said there were 119 hired. Glad I was one of them

BuickCFI · August 13th, 2007, 00:59

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Originally Posted by XcalibeR

Between the July and August hiring sessions, ROES said there were 119 hired. Glad I was one of them

yeah, but when they announced the briefings for 221/222 about 90 of those people got up and left the room!

Screaming_Emu · August 13th, 2007, 09:07

What are they payin nowadays for full time instructors starting out?

BuickCFI · August 13th, 2007, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

What are they payin nowadays for full time instructors starting out?

probably the same, but in order to get the top 2 grades you need to do stage checks now

belliott · August 13th, 2007, 20:29

Not to be a complete d!ck (as you should be congratulated for being hired) but if you are done at UND and are still flight instructing there you have definitely consumed way too much of their koolaid.

I personally think that the "UND bubble" has only become stronger over the years and it might even be part of the reason why some UND grads have failed ground school at their first regional.

Just my two cents.... but hey who am I be a downer.... drink and be merry! For tomorrow you fly with a chinese kid that doesn't speak any engrish!

Good luck to all! Congratulations again.

BuickCFI · August 13th, 2007, 20:56

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Originally Posted by belliott

Not to be a complete d!ck (as you should be congratulated for being hired) but if you are done at UND and are still flight instructing there you have definitely consumed way too much of their koolaid.

I personally think that the "UND bubble" has only become stronger over the years and it might even be part of the reason why some UND grads have failed ground school at their first regional.

Just my two cents.... but hey who am I be a downer.... drink and be merry! For tomorrow you fly with a chinese kid that doesn't speak any engrish!

Good luck to all! Congratulations again.

i do part 61 instruction as well that is definetly out of the bubble

JaceTheAce · August 13th, 2007, 21:24

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Originally Posted by belliott

Not to be a complete d!ck (as you should be congratulated for being hired) but if you are done at UND and are still flight instructing there you have definitely consumed way too much of their koolaid.

I personally think that the "UND bubble" has only become stronger over the years and it might even be part of the reason why some UND grads have failed ground school at their first regional.

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Just my two cents.... but hey who am I be a downer.... drink and be merry! For tomorrow you fly with a chinese kid that doesn't speak any engrish!

Good luck to all! Congratulations again.

Okay, this is a bit too much... come on, Chinese students are very motivated and there are advantages to teaching them as an instructor. Learning how to create innovative ways to convey a complex message with a language barrier is good experience.

belliott · August 13th, 2007, 21:48

where do you instruct 61? crookston? I'll give you kudos for widening your view but really guys why stay at UND when there are so many jobs available elsewhere? The journey through aviation to the high and mightey major airline job should be an adventure... not a bore... gotta go... I have some clouds to seed!

Screaming_Emu · August 13th, 2007, 21:59

Yeah...I found out what you guys are getting paid...and they wonder why turnover is so great. I haven't gotten a single raise since I started here and I already make more than a UND stage instructor who teaches 414. And they reimburse me $40/mo for my cellphone bill. So I ask, those of you who are done with school and able to leave....why?!?!?

BuickCFI · August 13th, 2007, 23:57

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Originally Posted by belliott

where do you instruct 61? crookston? I'll give you kudos for widening your view but really guys why stay at UND when there are so many jobs available elsewhere? The journey through aviation to the high and mightey major airline job should be an adventure... not a bore... gotta go... I have some clouds to seed!

KCKN and GFKFS, UND for the multi students

JaceTheAce · August 14th, 2007, 02:35

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Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

Yeah...I found out what you guys are getting paid...and they wonder why turnover is so great. I haven't gotten a single raise since I started here and I already make more than a UND stage instructor who teaches 414. And they reimburse me $40/mo for my cellphone bill. So I ask, those of you who are done with school and able to leave....why?!?!?

I don't think the turnover is great because of the wages - I think it's because most UND kids want the shiny jet job with the airlines hiring at such low mins...and they're fleeing for it. I don't think they care about getting paid $10/hr for instruction when they were making $5.15 serving cafeteria food the week prior to getting hired... which is sad. I don't know, maybe it's a combination of the low wages and opportunities with the regionals (which are just as bad in pay anyway).

What I don't understand is why people see it perfectly fine to be working at those wages for such a skill-intensive job. It's not difficult to find a minimum of $17-20 hour "big part 141 flight school" CFI job elsewhere. Let's see, CFI wages 80% higher in San Diego than a CFI job at UND while cost of living in San Diego only increases 41% (using my living situation here in San Diego compared to similar living situation in Grand Forks as an example). Similar examples in locations with higher wage to cost-of-living ratios are all over the US (FL, TX, CA, WA, AZ, etc come to mind). The obvious choice (if you are graduated) is to rule out instructing at UND and instruct somewhere else.

Anyway... let people make their own decisions I guess.

mokulele · August 14th, 2007, 08:07

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I don't think the turnover is great because of the wages - I think it's because most UND kids want the shiny jet job with the airlines hiring at such low mins...and they're fleeing for it. I don't think they care about getting paid $10/hr for instruction when they were making $5.15 serving cafeteria food the week prior to getting hired... which is sad. I don't know, maybe it's a combination of the low wages and opportunities with the regionals (which are just as bad in pay anyway).

What I don't understand is why people see it perfectly fine to be working at those wages for such a skill-intensive job. It's not difficult to find a minimum of $17-20 hour "big part 141 flight school" CFI job elsewhere. Let's see, CFI wages 80% higher in San Diego than a CFI job at UND while cost of living in San Diego only increases 41% (using my living situation here in San Diego compared to similar living situation in Grand Forks as an example). Similar examples in locations with higher wage to cost-of-living ratios are all over the US (FL, TX, CA, WA, AZ, etc come to mind). The obvious choice (if you are graduated) is to rule out instructing at UND and instruct somewhere else.

Anyway... let people make their own decisions I guess.

The $10.50/hr rate is for part-time instructors or what they call "Student Intern Instructors". This is for the folks that have their CFI but have to finish school and can take on 1-2 students for the semester. Starting pay increases 57% for someone who has graduated and has a CFII teaching instrument students.

BuickCFI · August 14th, 2007, 08:41

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Originally Posted by mokulele

The $10.50/hr rate is for part-time instructors or what they call "Student Intern Instructors". This is for the folks that have their CFI but have to finish school and can take on 1-2 students for the semester. Starting pay increases 57% for someone who has graduated and has a CFII teaching instrument students.

you also have to consider when you graduate you get full medical (in my case family coverage for me and my wife)....... FREE!!! that saves us around 400-500/month

August 11th, 2007, 03:02	#1
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 1,796	Any members here get hired? just curious if any members of JC were hired this fall __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

August 11th, 2007, 08:52	#3
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,254	Re: Any members here get hired? poor bastards __________________ Commercial Pilot - ASEL, AMEL, Instrument CFI/II 880TT CRJ-700 FO at Southernjets Connection Former flight instructor out of KBWI and W29 Loves Dutch chicks "jtrain609: I wish I had a pair"

August 11th, 2007, 14:16	#5
Snickersnwa Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: MSP. GFK -> ONT -> CLE, now back to GFK Posts: 645	Re: Any members here get hired? Congrats guys!

August 11th, 2007, 14:49	#6
Blue Side Up Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Forks, ND or CO Posts: 169	Re: Any members here get hired? There are quite a few members that got hired. I am glad the course briefings are over.

August 12th, 2007, 00:21	#8
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Any members here get hired? I'm one of those poor bastards. I'm pretty stoked. __________________

August 12th, 2007, 17:23	#11
Farva Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Henderson NV/ Grand Forks ND Posts: 201	Re: Any members here get hired? yeah good thing the new hire workshop is over. __________________ Commercial AMEL, ASEL, IA, CFI, CFII, CL-65 SIC Type

August 13th, 2007, 00:42	#13
XcalibeR Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nowhere Posts: 179	Re: Any members here get hired? Between the July and August hiring sessions, ROES said there were 119 hired. Glad I was one of them

August 13th, 2007, 09:07	#15
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,254	Re: Any members here get hired? What are they payin nowadays for full time instructors starting out? __________________ Commercial Pilot - ASEL, AMEL, Instrument CFI/II 880TT CRJ-700 FO at Southernjets Connection Former flight instructor out of KBWI and W29 Loves Dutch chicks "jtrain609: I wish I had a pair"

August 13th, 2007, 20:29	#17
belliott Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 220	Re: Any members here get hired? Not to be a complete d!ck (as you should be congratulated for being hired) but if you are done at UND and are still flight instructing there you have definitely consumed way too much of their koolaid. I personally think that the "UND bubble" has only become stronger over the years and it might even be part of the reason why some UND grads have failed ground school at their first regional. Just my two cents.... but hey who am I be a downer.... drink and be merry! For tomorrow you fly with a chinese kid that doesn't speak any engrish! Good luck to all! Congratulations again.

August 13th, 2007, 21:48	#20
belliott Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 220	Re: Any members here get hired? where do you instruct 61? crookston? I'll give you kudos for widening your view but really guys why stay at UND when there are so many jobs available elsewhere? The journey through aviation to the high and mightey major airline job should be an adventure... not a bore... gotta go... I have some clouds to seed!

August 13th, 2007, 21:59	#21
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,254	Re: Any members here get hired? Yeah...I found out what you guys are getting paid...and they wonder why turnover is so great. I haven't gotten a single raise since I started here and I already make more than a UND stage instructor who teaches 414. And they reimburse me $40/mo for my cellphone bill. So I ask, those of you who are done with school and able to leave....why?!?!? __________________ Commercial Pilot - ASEL, AMEL, Instrument CFI/II 880TT CRJ-700 FO at Southernjets Connection Former flight instructor out of KBWI and W29 Loves Dutch chicks "jtrain609: I wish I had a pair"

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