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[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

I would agree BUT the POH says the same thing

That and it is a memorized flow pattern that in a real situation I would never pull out the checklist to verify the flow. Especially since a majority of it is "fly the airplane" stuff.

[CAFFEINE]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

<snip>Those items have no business being there.

I'm sure that with 30 some hours of multi time you are qualified to say that

I think the best thing for any UND student is to rent an airplane where they're from - it'll really open up your eyes!

This part of your post I agree with.

[CAFFEINE]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

dear god yes.

i am amazed with the automatons who have graduated UND but never ONCE flown a non UND aircraft or in a situation outside of UND training.

hopeless.

Yeah, or UND students who have had the same instructor their whole time here.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

I'm sure that with 30 some hours of multi time you are qualified to say that

I think it should only take a 5 hour multi time pilot to figure out that "do items" that involve flying the airplane in an emergency situation do not belong there. It's just IMHO - take it or leave it.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

Yeah, or UND students who have had the same instructor their whole time here.

not sure what youre getting at there. #im SUPPOSING youre meaning ME, but seeing as how ive had 3 instructors now for 323 in the last 2 weeks, your point is moot and void.

and#previously i was quite pleased to have an instructor who was not a total d-bag, so why would i want to switch it up and take a risk on a new guy if i didnt have to? #makes sense to me.

[RyosukeFC]

In response to the original poster, I had my private before I came here and wouldn't trade that experience for anything! Also, since you're so close to the checkride you might as well finish it. The test course at UND (112) is cheaper than the course if you have "some" prior training (105). And it's certainly cheaper than 102. Also you'll find that 102 ground school is a breeze if you've done your private checkride recently (one of the easiest A's I got here).

You'll find that most of the 112 course is becoming familiar (indoctrinated) to the UND policies & procedures, the local area, and the low wing piper (if you're used to Cessnas like I was).

[RyosukeFC]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

ive had 3 instructors now for 323 in the last 2 weeks...

I've had 3 instructors so far in 325 and now one of the leads is helping me finish up. I find it unlikely anybody has had one instructor the whole time considering the turnover at UND (instructors being hired by pinnacle et al).

[mokulele]

I transferred into UND's program with my private under my belt. I got my private through a part 61 school. Although UND is very "institutionalized" it was very refreshing. It had all the structure that I was looking for.

I probably wasted a lot of money aimlessly going about my training at my old part 61 school with no real plan of action or syllabus. It was largely a matter of "what do you feel like going out to practice today?" Plus a lot of other shady practices like bad maintenance and having me fly airplanes with tires so bald I could see huge patches of the inner threads. I think back now and I'm actually spooked that I actually got my private pilot certificate that way.

Because I had my private, I had to do the test course at UND. It set me straight on a lot of things I was improperly taught the first time during my 61 training. I learned a TON from the groundschool alone. Yes, it almost matched the total cost of my private, but I think as long as I learned something valuable and created a much better foundation for further learning, it was worth it.

As the others have said here, I would not plan on coming to UND with more than just your private. I have two friends that came to UND with the following situations:

1) Private pilot (single engine) with instrument rating
This guy did the private pilot test course and opted to REPEAT his instrument training. Reason for this is UND groups their instrument/commercial-single and multiengine training together in blocks for 141. He had the option of doing an instrument test course but would have had to continue the rest of his training in part 61.

2) Commercial pilot (single engine) with instrument rating
This guy had to do the test course for instrument and commercial. He also had to take the groundschool classes all at the same time. He had to do his multiengine training as an add-on under part 61.

I don't regret going part 61 first. I completely agree that it is valuable for students to see what it is like outside of UND. Again, UND is a very well-refined institution. They have it down like clockwork so it is easy to get confined within the "UND bubble".

Regarding emergency procedures/checklists and memory items, I think all of that will serve you much better in the long run if you are going to fly for an airline. Stabilized approach tolerances, final landing checks, flows, etc. are what professionals use everyday flying large, complex aircraft. I see it as a preparation for professional flying. Prior to UND, I had never seen this kind of training at my old 61 schools.

Good luck with your training!

[BuickCFI]

1) Private pilot (single engine) with instrument rating
This guy did the private pilot test course and opted to REPEAT his instrument training. Reason for this is UND groups their instrument/commercial-single and multiengine training together in blocks for 141. He had the option of doing an instrument test course but would have had to continue the rest of his training in part 61.

2) Commercial pilot (single engine) with instrument rating
This guy had to do the test course for instrument and commercial. He also had to take the groundschool classes all at the same time. He had to do his multiengine training as an add-on under part 61.

AFAIK you only have to do 61 checkrides at the end of the courses, you still complete the required flight lessons just like 141 but at the end you go up to the 4th floor and do the FAA checkride

[belliott]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

UND is a college?

I thought it was a zero-to-hero ATP factory for Asian airlines!!

You should try unloading those effing awful smelling bags from a DC-9 belly.... I have and it sucked balls.

Realistically speaking.... UND will start to disregard its student population and start catering to the contract students. I know there will be more near misses and possibly more accidents. Just make sure none of you are on the recieving end.

[roundout]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

you see on UND's Engine Failure Takeoff Continued for the Seminole has too many "do" items that involve flying the airplane.

the Simuflite Learjet (and I suspect other planes as well) engine failure above V1 - continue checklist include

1. Rudder and aileron as required to maintain control
2. accelerate to Vr - nosewheel on runway
3. rotate at Vr - climb at V2

it's not UND being too explicit - this is how "real" airplanes checklists go as well.