6 elements of stabilized approach???

[TXaviator]

uhhhhh? anyone?

apparently i need to knwo this for a stage check tommorrow.

my elements are:

on course
not doing zany ####
configured
cleared

.....thats all i can think of

[JaceTheAce]

All flights must be stabilized by 1,000 feet above airport elevation in IMC and by 500 feet above airport elevation in VMC. An approach is stabilized when all of the following criteria are met:

1. The aircraft is on the correct flight path;
2. Only small changes in heading/pitch are required to maintain the correct flight path;
3. The aircraft speed is not more than Vref + 20 KIAS and not less than Vref;
4. Sink rate is no greater than 1,000 fpm. If an approach requires a sink rate greater than 1,000 fpm, a special briefing should be conducted;
5. Power setting is appropriate for the air craft configuration and is not below the minimum power for approach as described by the aircraft operating manual;
6. All briefings and checklists have been conducted.

...I believe that's what it is. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Minuteman]

On a transport-sized airpa-ma-plane, for example:

• Aligned with Runway (±2 dots or so)
• On Glidepath (±2 dots or VASI)
• Vref+5 plus half the steady headwind plus full gust (-0 knots to +10 knots of that)
• Landing gear down by 1000' AFE (or outer marker)
• Configued by 500' AFE for visual, 1000' AFE for instrument approach
• Engines spooled to approach idle
• No speedbrakes needed below 1000' AFE
• Uh, yeah, and cleared.

Aww poop.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

not doing zany ####

HAHA, I'm using that on my stage check in CFII!! Heck, I'll use it if it comes up during the hiring workshop this summer too. They'd be like, "mother of god, make this guy the chief flight instructor right now!!". haha

[TXaviator]

well i mean its like when in class they ask stuff that just seems SO OBVIOUS

ie "how do you do a visual approach"

i raised my hand and said "push the f&cking yoke in and aim at the runway"

[UAL747400]

Oh I know exactly what you mean. I just like the way you put it.

[MrLeisure757]

I was asked that on my 112 checkride a few weeks ago. I remembered it this way....

FLAPS CHECK (√ )

Flight Path (Correct)
Landing Configuration (Correct)
Airspeed (Proper)
Power Set (Appropriate for Aircraft Configuration)
Sink Rate (Not abnormal)
√ Checklists complete.


Hope that helps.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by MrLeisure757

I was asked that on my 112 checkride a few weeks ago. I remembered it this way....

FLAPS CHECK (√ )

Flight Path (Correct)
Landing Configuration (Correct)
Airspeed (Proper)
Power Set (Appropriate for Aircraft Configuration)
Sink Rate (Not abnormal)
√ Checklists complete.


Hope that helps.

ÕMĢ, ђόш đĩđ ŷōũ måķê ţĥǻť √ ŝŷmbộl Mister Leisure?

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by MrLeisure757

I was asked that on my 112 checkride a few weeks ago. I remembered it this way....

FLAPS CHECK (√ )

Flight Path (Correct)
Landing Configuration (Correct)
Airspeed (Proper)
Power Set (Appropriate for Aircraft Configuration)
Sink Rate (Not abnormal)
√ Checklists complete.


Hope that helps.

perfect thanks.

yeah i heard this is some new thing theyre supposed to ask on all stage checks now.........but a lot of us were obviously not briefed on this.....

[Dugie8]

6 elements? WTFO?

On speed
Configed
Sink < 1000 below 1000 AGL


Nuff said.

Configed takes care of all checklists, no need to reinvent the wheel here.

[Snickersnwa]

I believe we were told that (1) elements describing a stabilized approach, (2) determining crosswind components, and (3) discussing personal weather minimums are supposed to be on every check from 102 through MEI...

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

I believe we were told that (1) elements describing a stabilized approach, (2) determining crosswind components, and (3) discussing personal weather minimums are supposed to be on every check from 102 through MEI...

hell. i hadnt heard about 2 and 3 yet. just that the six elements of a stabilized approach are like required now (as in, along with vspeeds and emergencies, etc)

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

6 elements? WTFO?

On speed
Configed
Sink < 1000 below 1000 AGL


Nuff said.

Configed takes care of all checklists, no need to reinvent the wheel here.

yeah i tend to agree. its kindof restating the OBVIOUS.

duh, im on an approach, OBVIOUSLY im monitoring and staying on the prescribed course.

stuff like that bugs me. if it slips your mind that you need to be following a course while on an approach, you have no business flying approaches.

[Snickersnwa]

Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

I believe we were told that (1) elements describing a stabilized approach, (2) determining crosswind components, and (3) discussing personal weather minimums are supposed to be on every check from 102 through MEI...

I *think* if I remember correctly, it was brought up in an ops meeting. We were told to discuss this with our students.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

yeah i tend to agree. its kindof restating the OBVIOUS.

duh, im on an approach, OBVIOUSLY im monitoring and staying on the prescribed course.

stuff like that bugs me. if it slips your mind that you need to be following a course while on an approach, you have no business flying approaches.

This is an area UND has dropped the ball in. I don't recall if you have flown the SEMI yet or not, but the engine failure after liftoff checklist is a prime example. Elements about flying the airplane DO NOT belong in an emergency checklist, ie establish a 5 degree bank, rudder, etc.

A stabalized approach is more than just flying the needles centered, I can fly an ILS perfectly centered and not be stabilized (inverted, sever side slip, and so on). The premise of a stablized approach is having the airplane under "control" by a pre determined point (usually 1000 AGL IMC or 500 AGL VMC) to make the go around decision a little bit less "ambiguous".

I am sure we have all done it and rushed an approach and just barely pulled out a landing that would make a Navy pilot blush. The whole point is to take out the "machoism" and insert a level of safety that keeps us out of trouble. If it aint' stable by X amount of feet above the ground, go around and try it again.

Preaching elements that include basic airmenship is not the point.

[Westcoaster]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

perfect thanks.

yeah i heard this is some new thing theyre supposed to ask on all stage checks now.........but a lot of us were obviously not briefed on this.....

It is in every standardization manual (and possibly the policies and procedures).

Proper config
Position to land
Airspeed
No excessive sink rate
Appropriate power setting
Final Check

[SteveC]

add:

7. Verify engine operating.
8. Cross check blue up, green down.
9. Maintain appendages on flight controls as appropriate.

[TXaviator]

ok well i got it today and spaced out on the

"power set" portion

i countered with

ok well, if your airspeed is appropriate, and your sink rate is appropriate, doesnt it NATURALLY FOLLOW that your power has already been set correctly???
...
10. eyes looking at instruments
11. wings still attached to plane
12. sitting in seat

etc etc

[UAL747400]

.....
13-at least one of your hands on the yoke
14-facing forward
15-door shut
16-check to make sure you haven't urinated or crapped your pants
........

[BuickCFI]

17. still buckled
18. gear still welded on if flying a WARR
19. Stage check pilots mouth duck taped shut

ok well, if your airspeed is appropriate, and your sink rate is appropriate, doesnt it NATURALLY FOLLOW that your power has already been set correctly???

no

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

uhhhhh? anyone?

apparently i need to knwo this for a stage check tommorrow.

my elements are:

on course
not doing zany ####
configured
cleared

.....thats all i can think of

Uftah.. I think there was a pretty nifty Aerospace Podcast titled stablized approaches sooh you might take a look at that.

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

17. still buckled
18. gear still welded on if flying a WARR
19. Stage check pilots mouth duck taped shut



no

Don't ya need to say "Gear down and locked?" I think I remembered seeing that somewheres...

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by juxtapilot

Don't ya need to say "Gear down and locked?" I think I remembered seeing that somewheres...

i never UNsatted for saying "gear down, welded" when flying the WARR or WARG

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

i never UNsatted for saying "gear down, welded" when flying the WARR or WARG

I say that all the time just to be smartass. haha Haven't had anyone get bent out of shape yet. I'm sure I'll get some tight wad someday that will accuse me off mocking UND policies and procedures and distract me enough to cause us to crash.

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

I say that all the time just to be smartass. haha Haven't had anyone get bent out of shape yet. I'm sure I'll get some tight wad someday that will accuse me off mocking UND policies and procedures and distract me enough to cause us to crash.

my first instructor taught me to say that................