instructor pay scale

BuickCFI · March 4th, 2007, 20:05

i know someone posted it before, can you do it again? thanks

taildragger173 · March 4th, 2007, 20:19

Its in your employee manual.

AngelFuree · March 4th, 2007, 20:29

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Originally Posted by taildragger173

Its in your employee manual.

Is he employed?

If not, how about you go ahead and help those interested in obtaining a position at this *lovely* school. I'm sure pay info would let others make a well informed decision whether to stay here or not.

I know I can't get payed enough to stay here.

Dugie8 · March 4th, 2007, 20:55

Buick,

From my limited short term memory

for CFI only, 13 or 14 a contact hour
for CFII, 18 a contact hour
no increase for MEI, I think
when you get the nod to teach 414 it goes to 20 or so a contact hour.

Those were the rates (there abouts) 4 years ago.

StrangerDejaVu · March 4th, 2007, 21:15

Since I apparently have nothing better to do:

Student CFI - 10.50
Graduated CFI - 13.50
CFII w/ assigned instrument student - 16.50
MEI w/ multi student - 18.00
Initial CFI applicant instructor - 22.00

What are they paying at flight support?

BuickCFI · March 4th, 2007, 22:12

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Originally Posted by StrangerDejaVu

Since I apparently have nothing better to do:

Student CFI - 10.50
Graduated CFI - 13.50
CFII w/ assigned instrument student - 16.50
MEI w/ multi student - 18.00
Initial CFI applicant instructor - 22.00

What are they paying at flight support?

16.50 now at flight support for any student as long as you hold CFI/II

i was wondering because i instruct at UMC for UND as well. i am graduated, but not "full time". i have 3 private students and 2 instrument students.

and what employee manual? maybe i should just ask my boss because he said i will only be getting 10.50 but i am graduated

JaceTheAce · March 4th, 2007, 22:22

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

...he said i will only be getting 10.50 but i am graduated

That wage is complete crap.

BuickCFI · March 4th, 2007, 22:58

does it make a difference full time vs. part time? or is that just with benefits which i don't need?

TXaviator · March 5th, 2007, 01:01

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

That wage is complete crap.

quoted for truth.

UND really has a great deal going here.... get kids so hyped (read: indoctrinated) to believe that UND is the best place ever and they REALLY REALLY want to instruct here, then hire them on, pay them essentially nothing, yet still have them spread the gospel about how awesome UND is (to farm more gullible 100lb kid/bag types, to make more cheerleaders, who will work for nothing....etc ad nauseum)

ORDFlyer85 · March 5th, 2007, 03:03

UND certainly doesn't pay very well .. but the health benefits is where the instructors win. So that makes up from the junky pay, and when ya think about it, compared to some other jobs u could be working in this town, the flying gig isn't such a bad deal ...

ZUKO · March 5th, 2007, 03:14

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Originally Posted by ORDFlyer85

UND certainly doesn't pay very well .. but the health benefits is where the instructors win. So that makes up from the junky pay, and when ya think about it, compared to some other jobs u could be working in this town, the flying gig isn't such a bad deal ...

But would people be in this town if they did not buy into UNDs marketing in the first place?

UAL747400 · March 5th, 2007, 03:45

Personally, I think your ratings should reflect your pay. To me, that pay scale just has one additional variable that affects your pay for the semester.

ORDFlyer85 · March 5th, 2007, 03:51

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Originally Posted by ZUKO

But would people be in this town if they did not buy into UNDs marketing in the first place?

Hey if you subtract the 14,000 students who go to und and the what the 8,000 people (dont quote me on that one) who are affiliated with the Air Base, that leaves around 30,000 residents who reside in this "fabulous place" for some reason, and they could leave so obviously some people really do like it here.

TXaviator · March 5th, 2007, 03:59

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Originally Posted by ORDFlyer85

that leaves around 30,000 residents who reside in this "fabulous place" for some reason, and they could leave so obviously some people really do like it here.

id wager that 29,998 of those Svenssons, Olsons, Andersens, Olafstaads, and so forth have never once left their farm, much less been to a real city or state to see what they are missing out on.

leaving harvey, nd...to visit the big city of grand forks, nd.... that doesnt exactly count as getting out and seeing the alternatives to living here.

AngelFuree · March 5th, 2007, 04:10

Though UND CFI wage is MUCH better than on-campus librarian jobs at $5.25/hr, it is definitely not good for a CFI position. I don't understand how a lot of you are sooooo goddamn blind and feel that $10.50 an hour for ANY type of flight instruction is justifiable. Where the hell do you guys come from? That type of pay is completely unacceptable and is one of my top reasons for not working at this school. I will not cooperate with such business practices.

edit: and don't bring me that big load of BS on time building at UND. A lot of you guys think that UND is the only best place for time building. Go do some research and you'll realize a lot of your industry counterparts are earning more than you are building time at an equal or comparable rate living in better conditions. I honestly don't see the rush to flying the jets, but even so...why torture yourself by being an employee at this school?

ORDFlyer85 · March 5th, 2007, 04:33

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Though UND CFI wage is MUCH better than on-campus librarian jobs at $5.25/hr, it is definitely not good for a CFI position. I don't understand how a lot of you are sooooo goddamn blind and feel that $10.50 an hour for ANY type of flight instruction is justifiable. Where the hell do you guys come from? That type of pay is completely unacceptable and is one of my top reasons for not working at this school. I will not cooperate with such business practices.

edit: and don't bring me that big load of BS on time building at UND. A lot of you guys think that UND is the only best place for time building. Go do some research and you'll realize a lot of your industry counterparts are earning more than you are building time at an equal or comparable rate living in better conditions. I honestly don't see the rush to flying the jets, but even so...why torture yourself by being an employee at this school?

Here here ... i agree you could do better else where and deal with less BS.

BuickCFI · March 5th, 2007, 04:41

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Though UND CFI wage is MUCH better than on-campus librarian jobs at $5.25/hr, it is definitely not good for a CFI position. I don't understand how a lot of you are sooooo goddamn blind and feel that $10.50 an hour for ANY type of flight instruction is justifiable. Where the hell do you guys come from? That type of pay is completely unacceptable and is one of my top reasons for not working at this school. I will not cooperate with such business practices.

edit: and don't bring me that big load of BS on time building at UND. A lot of you guys think that UND is the only best place for time building. Go do some research and you'll realize a lot of your industry counterparts are earning more than you are building time at an equal or comparable rate living in better conditions. I honestly don't see the rush to flying the jets, but even so...why torture yourself by being an employee at this school?

CKN is better than the GFK ops because of the fact the students are not there trying to get to that airline job. they all want to be commercial pilots, just not for the airlines.

eglplt · March 5th, 2007, 10:29

Do you guys really want to hear the sad part? Most of you will have to take a paycut to quit instructing and start out at the regional airlines or hauling freight! A CFI at UND teaching 414 students makes $22.00/contact hour plus medical benefits. You are more than likely a stage check pilot at this point in the game as well, so contact hours are quite easy to get creating a decent paycheck every couple of weeks. I can assure you that the regionals won't allow you to live this well in your first couple years. It is a tough nut to crack for beginners, best of luck!

BuickCFI · March 5th, 2007, 11:10

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Originally Posted by eglplt

Do you guys really want to hear the sad part? Most of you will have to take a paycut to quit instructing and start out at the regional airlines or hauling freight! A CFI at UND teaching 414 students makes $22.00/contact hour plus medical benefits. You are more than likely a stage check pilot at this point in the game as well, so contact hours are quite easy to get creating a decent paycheck every couple of weeks. I can assure you that the regionals won't allow you to live this well in your first couple years. It is a tough nut to crack for beginners, best of luck!

good thing i plan to fly part 135 charter

RyosukeFC · March 5th, 2007, 12:06

Why do flight instructors charge less than other professionals who work by the hour? Some examples would be automotive mechanics, plumbers, appliance repair people, message therapists, tennis instructors, personal trainers, consultants, etc. Some of these professionals charge over $100/hr for thier services whereas flight instruction is only $41/hr.

Speaking of which why is it that UND charges students $41 but pays even the highest tier of MEIs only keep about half that? Some FBOs charge students less ($30 range) and the instructor gets to keep a much higher chunk of that (if not all of it). Is the overhead at UND really that high?

RyosukeFC · March 5th, 2007, 12:16

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Originally Posted by eglplt

Do you guys really want to hear the sad part? Most of you will have to take a paycut to quit instructing and start out at the regional airlines or hauling freight! A CFI at UND teaching 414 students makes $22.00/contact hour plus medical benefits. You are more than likely a stage check pilot at this point in the game as well, so contact hours are quite easy to get creating a decent paycheck every couple of weeks. I can assure you that the regionals won't allow you to live this well in your first couple years. It is a tough nut to crack for beginners, best of luck!

Low pay for junior pilots is an established practice and I'm not sure why it has to be that way. I suspect it has something to do with the amount of money an airline sinks into a pilot's initial training. Either way low-time pilots make a near poverty level wage. I don't think the public would be pleased to learn the copilot on their connecting flight to Minnie makes less than the assistant manager of the McDonalds they stopped at on the way to the airport.

BuickCFI · March 5th, 2007, 13:29

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Originally Posted by RyosukeFC

Low pay for junior pilots is an established practice and I'm not sure why it has to be that way. I suspect it has something to do with the amount of money an airline sinks into a pilot's initial training. Either way low-time pilots make a near poverty level wage. I don't think the public would be pleased to learn the copilot on their connecting flight to Minnie makes less than the assistant manager of the McDonalds they stopped at on the way to the airport.

what would the public care as long as their airfare was cheap?

JaceTheAce · March 5th, 2007, 13:38

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Originally Posted by eglplt

Do you guys really want to hear the sad part? Most of you will have to take a paycut to quit instructing and start out at the regional airlines or hauling freight! A CFI at UND teaching 414 students makes $22.00/contact hour plus medical benefits. You are more than likely a stage check pilot at this point in the game as well, so contact hours are quite easy to get creating a decent paycheck every couple of weeks. I can assure you that the regionals won't allow you to live this well in your first couple years. It is a tough nut to crack for beginners, best of luck!

That's IF we even want to go the regional route! Not all of us are aiming for it (like me). I still haven't ruled the regionals out, but my aim is to go charter/corporate.

Plus, in order to get up to that $22.00/hr you have to have gone through the series of low pay rates to get up there... and all the political bullsheeit that goes along with it.

undsioux1 · March 5th, 2007, 15:07

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Though UND CFI wage is MUCH better than on-campus librarian jobs at $5.25/hr, it is definitely not good for a CFI position. I don't understand how a lot of you are sooooo goddamn blind and feel that $10.50 an hour for ANY type of flight instruction is justifiable. Where the hell do you guys come from? That type of pay is completely unacceptable and is one of my top reasons for not working at this school. I will not cooperate with such business practices.

edit: and don't bring me that big load of BS on time building at UND. A lot of you guys think that UND is the only best place for time building. Go do some research and you'll realize a lot of your industry counterparts are earning more than you are building time at an equal or comparable rate living in better conditions. I honestly don't see the rush to flying the jets, but even so...why torture yourself by being an employee at this school?

I'm sure its easy for you to think this way, especially after UND turned you down for CFI employment.

TXaviator · March 5th, 2007, 15:20

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Originally Posted by undsioux1

I'm sure its easy for you to think this way, especially after UND turned you down for CFI employment.

I'm sure its easy for you to think that way, especially being a purebred UND cheerleader.

March 4th, 2007, 20:05	#1
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 2,132	instructor pay scale i know someone posted it before, can you do it again? thanks __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

March 4th, 2007, 20:19	#2
taildragger173 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Siberia Posts: 433	Re: instructor pay scale Its in your employee manual.

March 4th, 2007, 20:55	#4
Dugie8 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: KRST Posts: 1,819	Re: instructor pay scale Buick, From my limited short term memory for CFI only, 13 or 14 a contact hour for CFII, 18 a contact hour no increase for MEI, I think when you get the nod to teach 414 it goes to 20 or so a contact hour. Those were the rates (there abouts) 4 years ago. __________________ Aircraft without engine(s) prohibited... -KMIA 10-9

March 4th, 2007, 21:15	#5
StrangerDejaVu Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KGFK/KSJC Posts: 125	Re: instructor pay scale Since I apparently have nothing better to do: Student CFI - 10.50 Graduated CFI - 13.50 CFII w/ assigned instrument student - 16.50 MEI w/ multi student - 18.00 Initial CFI applicant instructor - 22.00 What are they paying at flight support?

March 4th, 2007, 22:58	#8
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 2,132	Re: instructor pay scale does it make a difference full time vs. part time? or is that just with benefits which i don't need? __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

March 5th, 2007, 03:03	#10
ORDFlyer85 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: KGFK Posts: 54	Re: instructor pay scale UND certainly doesn't pay very well .. but the health benefits is where the instructors win. So that makes up from the junky pay, and when ya think about it, compared to some other jobs u could be working in this town, the flying gig isn't such a bad deal ...

March 5th, 2007, 03:45	#12
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: instructor pay scale Personally, I think your ratings should reflect your pay. To me, that pay scale just has one additional variable that affects your pay for the semester. __________________

March 5th, 2007, 04:10	#15
AngelFuree Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: G-Forks, ND/ NYC Posts: 3,374	Re: instructor pay scale Though UND CFI wage is MUCH better than on-campus librarian jobs at $5.25/hr, it is definitely not good for a CFI position. I don't understand how a lot of you are sooooo goddamn blind and feel that $10.50 an hour for ANY type of flight instruction is justifiable. Where the hell do you guys come from? That type of pay is completely unacceptable and is one of my top reasons for not working at this school. I will not cooperate with such business practices. edit: and don't bring me that big load of BS on time building at UND. A lot of you guys think that UND is the only best place for time building. Go do some research and you'll realize a lot of your industry counterparts are earning more than you are building time at an equal or comparable rate living in better conditions. I honestly don't see the rush to flying the jets, but even so...why torture yourself by being an employee at this school?

March 5th, 2007, 10:29	#18
eglplt Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KDAL Posts: 164	Re: instructor pay scale Do you guys really want to hear the sad part? Most of you will have to take a paycut to quit instructing and start out at the regional airlines or hauling freight! A CFI at UND teaching 414 students makes $22.00/contact hour plus medical benefits. You are more than likely a stage check pilot at this point in the game as well, so contact hours are quite easy to get creating a decent paycheck every couple of weeks. I can assure you that the regionals won't allow you to live this well in your first couple years. It is a tough nut to crack for beginners, best of luck!

March 5th, 2007, 12:06	#20
RyosukeFC Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: KTTD/KGFK Posts: 107	Re: instructor pay scale Why do flight instructors charge less than other professionals who work by the hour? Some examples would be automotive mechanics, plumbers, appliance repair people, message therapists, tennis instructors, personal trainers, consultants, etc. Some of these professionals charge over $100/hr for thier services whereas flight instruction is only $41/hr. Speaking of which why is it that UND charges students $41 but pays even the highest tier of MEIs only keep about half that? Some FBOs charge students less ($30 range) and the instructor gets to keep a much higher chunk of that (if not all of it). Is the overhead at UND really that high?

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