Your winter driving lesson

[RyosukeFC]

Rules (in the air and on the road) are meant to keep the majority of people with average skill level at a relative low risk level.

There are people who posses the skills to do things in excess of the established rules. In the air, test pilots and military pilots come to mind. On the ground they might include, race drivers and law enforcement. With both situations above what sets them apart from average is the specialized training they recieve.

People tend to have a problem with those who claim they have extraordinary skill who don't go through the proper channels to gain credibility (test pilot school, professional race driving school on a track, etc.).

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by RyosukeFC

People tend to have a problem with those who claim they have extraordinary skill who don't go through the proper channels to gain credibility (test pilot school, professional race driving school on a track, etc.).

yep, because getting credibility means that somebody else who DOES know what they're doing is actually teaching/endorsing this person. I'm sorry, but Jace saying "but he's a good driver" just doesn't cut it for me. And its not the driving itself that is the issue here, its the lack of good judgement and overall concern for other people. You may be the best driver out there, but we've all had moments on public roads where we go "whoa, I didn't see that car/person/whatever there" and if you say you haven't, you're lying.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

You can dress it up anyway you like, folks have "personalities" that tend towards different kinds of behaviour, Tom's seems to be one of breaking the rules if he doesn't think they apply to him at his skill level. So after he gets a couple of thousand hours in an airplane and has done some approaches to "hard IMC mins" is he going to now think his skill is good enough that those mins don't apply to him? If I was a betting man, I would bet he would, not someone I want flying my property, family, etc around.


I have a bit of a vested and thus bias interest in this, because the area he was dicking around in is where my two nephews live, one is only 11 and has a physical handicap, last thing he needs is to be hit by some dumbass joyriding.

You are twisting things around WAY to much just to try to make a point. Was it a questionable idea to video tape it and post in on here? Yes, I'll agree with you on that point. Was the driving in anyway dangerous to anyone or their property? Sorry to say, but that is where you're just going ot have to agree to disagree. I can completely understand your resentment towards my actions in the video because of you knowing someone close to you living in that area, of which I apoligize if it offends you. I know someone that was in a serious roll over accident himself trying to avoid someone messing around in a situation that they shouldn't have been, and it hit home pretty hard. Pure and simple, the camera just does not show the situation in it's entirety; the complete 360 degree view I had, the speed I was traveling, the preperation, etc... I never do anything like that of the sort as to put someone's life in danger.

I've riden with plenty of people that do go to the extreme and know better than to take it that far. I've also been in a small roll over accident myself while riding with someone that did. Not that I expect you to care, because I obviously did something that crossed your proverbial line of what too far is and I'm sure you could frankly give a crap about my life and my past experiances.

This is going to be my final post in this tread which was a mistake to begin with, a late night impulsive post that was completely tounge in cheek. I'm not trying to justify any of my actions in the video. I have my feelings on it. Those of you that object have yours and are entitled to your own opinions.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

yep, because getting credibility means that somebody else who DOES know what they're doing is actually teaching/endorsing this person. I'm sorry, but Jace saying "but he's a good driver" just doesn't cut it for me. And its not the driving itself that is the issue here, its the lack of good judgement and overall concern for other people. You may be the best driver out there, but we've all had moments on public roads where we go "whoa, I didn't see that car/person/whatever there" and if you say you haven't, you're lying.

I actually have never admitted that I was a good driver on this forum. There's always a lot to learn in the world of auto racing.

[ORDFlyer85]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

yep, because getting credibility means that somebody else who DOES know what they're doing is actually teaching/endorsing this person. I'm sorry, but Jace saying "but he's a good driver" just doesn't cut it for me. And its not the driving itself that is the issue here, its the lack of good judgement and overall concern for other people. You may be the best driver out there, but we've all had moments on public roads where we go "whoa, I didn't see that car/person/whatever there" and if you say you haven't, you're lying.

Who defines what good judgement is ? Is good judgment drinking the night before until 9am and heading to the Airbus and fly 150 passangers when your hungover ? Is it drinking at the bar and driving home ? Is it speeding down the interstate at 90 in a 70 mph zone ??

PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, and I sit here and read this ... "i have to disagree blah blah blah" .... we've all made a bad judgement call in our day, and I don't think its fair that we focus on one persons possible "mistake" and make it into a huge issue where it sounds like we should take every rating he owned away from him for something not even flying related... and as far as the point about him not being a pilot you want flying your family and how he'll probably bust minimums ... I ask have you flown with him ? Have you seen his flying skills ? Do you have a firm basis for your judgement ? Do you judge books by there cover ? Cause thats whats happening here !!

Even the best pilots make mistakes in the air ... does that make them a bad person, a bad pilot ? Would you stop being friends with a person cause they made a mistake while flying ?

Just seems like there is a lot of critical talk here, but i think some people have failed to see that we are all human here.

[Snickersnwa]

Originally Posted by ORDFlyer85

Who defines what good judgement is ? Is good judgment drinking the night before until 9am and heading to the Airbus and fly 150 passangers when your hungover ? Is it drinking at the bar and driving home ? Is it speeding down the interstate at 90 in a 70 mph zone ??

Are you seriously asking this!?

If a tree falls in the woods, but no one is there… does it make a sound?

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by ORDFlyer85

Who defines what good judgement is ? Is good judgment drinking the night before until 9am and heading to the Airbus and fly 150 passangers when your hungover ? Is it drinking at the bar and driving home ? Is it speeding down the interstate at 90 in a 70 mph zone ??

PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, and I sit here and read this ... "i have to disagree blah blah blah" .... we've all made a bad judgement call in our day, and I don't think its fair that we focus on one persons possible "mistake" and make it into a huge issue where it sounds like we should take every rating he owned away from him for something not even flying related... and as far as the point about him not being a pilot you want flying your family and how he'll probably bust minimums ... I ask have you flown with him ? Have you seen his flying skills ? Do you have a firm basis for your judgement ? Do you judge books by there cover ? Cause thats whats happening here !!

Even the best pilots make mistakes in the air ... does that make them a bad person, a bad pilot ? Would you stop being friends with a person cause they made a mistake while flying ?

Just seems like there is a lot of critical talk here, but i think some people have failed to see that we are all human here.

Absolutely nothing wrong with making mistakes as long as you own up to them and learn. This has not happened here. This isn't the first thread that has had people bragging about something stupid they did we've had in the UND forum.

Here's the cliffs notes of what is happening here. He did something that wasn't a good idea (we've all done that). People tell him"whoa, I wouldn't put stuff like that on the internet" and he comes back with some BS about how awesome a driver he is, blah blah blah. The only people who have supported him on this are his friends.

The point I was making about the busting minimums is this (since you obviously don't understand). Rules are there to prevent us from hurting other people. That's why there is a rule against exhibition/reckless driving. Having a rule that says you can't descend below minimums on an approach is there for the exact same reason.

If he thinks he's a good enough driver that he gets a free pass to drive like an idiot, I would venture to say it wont be much different in an airplane after many many hours. It has nothing to do with stick and rudder skill, but everything to do with attitude and ego.