Flight Time

Snickersnwa · February 26th, 2007, 15:47

As was brought up in another thread here in the UND forum (Flying at 7AM)…

Guys, I just got off the phone with the Minneapolis FSDO. (The number to the Fargo FSDO as provided in the AFD was disconnected and no longer in use).

The gentlemen that I spoke with said that you COULDN’T log that time if you didn’t takeoff. (using the scenario that was given in this other thread)

I also asked him if you could log that time that you didn’t takeoff if you went flying in another airplane (in essence credit that time to the flight time in the airplane that you did takeoff), and he said that you couldn’t do that as well.

You need a landing in order to log flight time, so you must takeoff.

StrangerDejaVu · February 26th, 2007, 16:04

Hey, thanks for calling! Sounds like SOMEONE needs to get a new AFD

Snickersnwa · February 26th, 2007, 16:22

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Originally Posted by StrangerDejaVu

Hey, thanks for calling! Sounds like SOMEONE needs to get a new AFD

Actually, it IS the current AFD…

haha!

JaceTheAce · February 26th, 2007, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

As was brought up in another thread here in the UND forum (Flying at 7AM)…

Guys, I just got off the phone with the Minneapolis FSDO. (The number to the Fargo FSDO as provided in the AFD was disconnected and no longer in use).

The gentlemen that I spoke with said that you COULDN’T log that time if you didn’t takeoff. (using the scenario that was given in this other thread)

I also asked him if you could log that time that you didn’t takeoff if you went flying in another airplane (in essence credit that time to the flight time in the airplane that you did takeoff), and he said that you couldn’t do that as well.

You need a landing in order to log flight time, so you must takeoff.

You're still wrong!

Snickersnwa · February 26th, 2007, 19:56

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

You're still wrong!

Haha, I wasn’t going for a “you’re wrong – I’m right” thing. I was just trying to provide a little more information into the matter. Just tryin to help ya’ll out by going the extra mile!

UAL747400 · February 26th, 2007, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

Haha, I wasn’t going for a “you’re wrong – I’m right” thing. I was just trying to provide a little more information into the matter. Just tryin to help ya’ll out by going the extra mile!

Thanks for doing the foot work. That's good to know for sure should this situation ever come up with me.

CAFFEINE · February 26th, 2007, 20:17

Good work snickers. Glad to know the FSDO agrees with those of us who actually read the reg.

JaceTheAce · February 26th, 2007, 21:03

Dir Sir,

Thank you very much for your legal services.

Kindest Regards,
Jace The Ace

Dugie8 · February 26th, 2007, 22:19

Just a "point of order" the FSDO has no "power" to make regulatory interps, they can give you their "opinion" but it holds no water if it came down to something like a violation.

Just so happens Mr. Fed dude was right.

undsioux1 · February 26th, 2007, 22:33

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Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

Good work snickers. Glad to know the FSDO agrees with those of us who actually read the reg.

BuickCFI · February 26th, 2007, 23:42

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...ices/fsdo/far/

Snickersnwa · February 27th, 2007, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Just a "point of order" the FSDO has no "power" to make regulatory interps, they can give you their "opinion" but it holds no water if it came down to something like a violation.

Just so happens Mr. Fed dude was right.

Thanks for pointing that out. That is something to note, but I figured the FSDO would carry some more weight to the discussion.

I must also say that the call was a very pleasant experience, and they were more than happy to talk to me. Don’t be afraid to call ‘em!

Snickersnwa · February 27th, 2007, 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...ices/fsdo/far/

Cool. The number listed on the web is different than what's in the AFD... maybe they'll change the AFD?

TXaviator · February 27th, 2007, 02:45

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Originally Posted by Snickersnwa

I must also say that the call was a very pleasant experience, and they were more than happy to talk to me. Don’t be afraid to call ‘em!

that is good to hear. i think a LOT of people are afraid/hesitant to consult with "The Man"....

open lines of communication are great and im glad to hear the FSDO contributes to a positive interaction between pilots and the regulatory agency.

Snickersnwa · February 27th, 2007, 14:37

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

that is good to hear. i think a LOT of people are afraid/hesitant to consult with "The Man"....

open lines of communication are great and im glad to hear the FSDO contributes to a positive interaction between pilots and the regulatory agency.

Yeah, I didn’t know what to expect from them when I called. But, I’m glad things went as well as they did.

I thought they might be annoyed to answer such a question. Good to know that this individual (and the secretary that I spoke to) made it a pleasant experience.

Talking to “the man” really isn’t as bad as some may think.

February 26th, 2007, 15:47	#1
Snickersnwa Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: GFK/MSP Posts: 695	Flight Time As was brought up in another thread here in the UND forum (Flying at 7AM)… Guys, I just got off the phone with the Minneapolis FSDO. (The number to the Fargo FSDO as provided in the AFD was disconnected and no longer in use). The gentlemen that I spoke with said that you COULDN’T log that time if you didn’t takeoff. (using the scenario that was given in this other thread) I also asked him if you could log that time that you didn’t takeoff if you went flying in another airplane (in essence credit that time to the flight time in the airplane that you did takeoff), and he said that you couldn’t do that as well. You need a landing in order to log flight time, so you must takeoff.

February 26th, 2007, 16:04	#2
StrangerDejaVu Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KGFK/KSJC Posts: 125	Re: Flight Time Hey, thanks for calling! Sounds like SOMEONE needs to get a new AFD

February 26th, 2007, 20:17	#7
CAFFEINE Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, CA Posts: 664	Re: Flight Time Good work snickers. Glad to know the FSDO agrees with those of us who actually read the reg. __________________ Sleep is a poor substitute for coffee. Commercial Pilot ASMEL, IA CFI/CFII/MEI

February 26th, 2007, 21:03	#8
JaceTheAce Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,624	Re: Flight Time Dir Sir, Thank you very much for your legal services. Kindest Regards, Jace The Ace __________________ "Time spent flying is not deducted from one's lifespan."

February 26th, 2007, 22:19	#9
Dugie8 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: KRST Posts: 1,819	Re: Flight Time Just a "point of order" the FSDO has no "power" to make regulatory interps, they can give you their "opinion" but it holds no water if it came down to something like a violation. Just so happens Mr. Fed dude was right. __________________ Aircraft without engine(s) prohibited... -KMIA 10-9

February 26th, 2007, 23:42	#11
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 2,132	Re: Flight Time http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...ices/fsdo/far/ __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

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