Tom!

[JaceTheAce]

Wow, a rare opportunity to own an E30 M3. People are starting to hold on to them and it's a rare opportunity to see one sold:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1988-...QQcmdZViewItem

I will do ANYTHING to own that car. Read this: ANYTHING. That one special moment I had driving my friend's dad's E30 M3 was like (sex)X(1,000,000,000,000)^9999999

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

That one special moment I had driving my friend's dad's E30 M3 was like (sex)X(1,000,000,000,000)^9999999

Dude, you are sleeping with the wrong girls.

Oh, wait.....

[Blue Side Up]

like (sex)X(1,000,000,000,000)^9999999


Maybe you're doing it wrong?

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by Blue Side Up

like (sex)X(1,000,000,000,000)^9999999


Maybe you're doing it wrong?

I think I might be hmmmmmmmm

[UAL747400]

Oh damn, I will do the same. I will go as far as financial suicide to aquire one.

Some E30 M3 goodness:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d...e93394b777.htm

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Oh damn, I will do the same. I will go as far as financial suicide to aquire one.

Some E30 M3 goodness:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d...e93394b777.htm

I've watched that video over and over several times since I first saw it...it still amazes me.

Here's some more E30 M3 madness... 4-cylinder BMW vs. V-8 'maro:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...70014a1dcd.htm

"Oooo! The Camaro is computer chipped! Maximum performance than the general public!" (what the cop said)

There's a website out there showing proof that the E30 M3 actually did get away from the police. I couldn't find it on Google. At the end of the video they show the same clip of the M3 slamming on it's brakes getting ready to U-turn, but they slowed it down and stopped the video through post-editing to make it look like it broke down.

[Blue Side Up]

that cop chase video is so awesome. what kind of penalty would that have been if they would have caught him?

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I've watched that video over and over several times since I first saw it...it still amazes me.

Here's some more E30 M3 madness... 4-cylinder BMW vs. V-8 'maro:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...70014a1dcd.htm

BEAUTIFUL! I loved the video.
The narrator calls the 15yr old an inexperienced driver.....I don't know if there's any truth to that statement. The driver looked like in control of the situation.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by Blue Side Up

that cop chase video is so awesome. what kind of penalty would that have been if they would have caught him?

I hate that show. That part about the camaro being chipped to be faster than normal camaros is a joke. They actually chipped it so it can carry all the crap they threw in it and still be faster than a crown vic. That and if I felt like it and actually liked drag racing, I could make one do 7s and still be street legal. Which is alot better than the high 13s that the squad car camaro would do.

I love how the officer can't even handle a simple oversteer situation in the median. Camaros have perfect 50/50 weight distribution. If he were driving a porsche or other RR car, I could understand. Police defensive driving training.

Recovering and continuing the persuit was probably out of the question there. I don't know if anyone can countersteer that fast in a camaro and it's model T like steering. But he should have taken the countersteer out when he realized he wasn't going to recover and just let the car spin in the median rather than having it do a huge "drift" back onto the road infront of fellow officers. This isn't monday morning quarterbacking on my part. Anyone with knowlege of advanced car control knows this and would have immediately applied it in this situation. Knowlege this officer obviously didn't possess at the time.

[UAL747400]

Here's another video of E30 fun. It's not an M3, but rather a 318is with the S14 engine swapped into it. Which is the engine in the M3. The 318is shares a majority of it's suspension parts with the M3, so it's basically an M3.

http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=580
This video showcases the awesome sounds that can come from the s14 with the right exhaust.

Everyone needs an E30!

[TXaviator]

popular myth: "police interceptor" crown vics have cobra engines (substitute myth with corvette, camaro, etc etc engines, caprice? impala?)

fact: "police interceptor" models of large sedans have heavy duty SUSPENSION and SOMETIMES transmissions, to handle the abuse of daily driving.

fact: these cars are NOT fast. in any way. nor do they have upgraded motors.

etc.

(ref: popular mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...41.html?page=3 )

[Siberianflyer]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

fact: these cars are NOT fast. in any way. nor do they have upgraded motors.
)

Not sure if it's real.....but,

[Farva]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

popular myth: "police interceptor" crown vics have cobra engines (substitute myth with corvette, camaro, etc etc engines, caprice? impala?)

fact: "police interceptor" models of large sedans have heavy duty SUSPENSION and SOMETIMES transmissions, to handle the abuse of daily driving.

fact: these cars are NOT fast. in any way. nor do they have upgraded motors.

etc.

(ref: popular mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...41.html?page=3 )

Thats not true try the hemi powered charger police vehicle, my friend drives, it caught up to my SRT-4 quite quickly and the crown vic and impala "interceptor' model has more cooling and lower gear ratios in order to drive at high rates of speed as well as heavy duty suspension and all the other light and radio equipment. Most SSV's can go to 130 mph and stay there all day while a toyota celica or honda civic, or even the M3 can reach up to speeds of 130 but only stay there for several minutes because they will overheat and blow the headgasket and as well as destroy the oil pump. Thats what I learned at POST and at rydell's.

-Farva

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

popular myth: "police interceptor" crown vics have cobra engines (substitute myth with corvette, camaro, etc etc engines, caprice? impala?)

fact: "police interceptor" models of large sedans have heavy duty SUSPENSION and SOMETIMES transmissions, to handle the abuse of daily driving.

fact: these cars are NOT fast. in any way. nor do they have upgraded motors.

etc.

(ref: popular mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...41.html?page=3 )

The fact that you are leaving out is that the crown vic is the most durable car ever made by anyone. So they don't neccessarily need to be all that fast.(They are fast out on the interstate by the way) Once you try jumping a curb, that crown vic is going to match you move for move jumping said curb and your car is going to break down under this abuse, the crown vic most likely will not.

You can josh the handing and speed of the crown vic all you want. The fact of the matter is is that most cars will break down well before the crown vic is even starting to sweat.

As far as the engine goes, yes, the crown vic interceptor has the higher output 4.6 over normal crown vics. It's not the DOHC mustang engine, but it's still a higher output over normal crown vics. The old caprice squad cars had the LT1 instead of the normal 350 small block. The crown vic also has a tranny cooler, powersteering cooler(this is more important than you might think).

If you run from the police on the interstate, you're a dumbass. They will match you move for move as well as your speed.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by Farva

Thats not true try the hemi powered charger police vehicle, my friend drives, it caught up to my SRT-4 quite quickly and the crown vic and impala "interceptor' model has more cooling and lower gear ratios in order to drive at high rates of speed as well as heavy duty suspension and all the other light and radio equipment. Most SSV's can go to 130 mph and stay there all day while a toyota celica or honda civic, or even the M3 can reach up to speeds of 130 but only stay there for several minutes because they will overheat and blow the headgasket and as well as destroy the oil pump. Thats what I learned at POST and at rydell's.

-Farva

German cars will stay at speed all day just as good as any police cruiser. There designed to handle the autobahn and BMW specifically tests their cars on nurburgring for durability issues on street conditions. The down fall of the german cars will be when the guy running in one decides to start jumping curbs and taking it anywhere but the street. As far as non high-end american and japanese cars go, you'd have to be a moron to think you're gona run and get away. You're gona have to drive at speed damn near all day just to TRY to outrun the radio, if you can even get away from the crown vic that's chasing you.

[UAL747400]

To get this thread more on topic, the best race track in the entire world. Nurburgring Sudeschliefe and Nordeschliefe(I KNOW I spelled that wrong. ) It's not an E30, but almost as good, An E46 M3 GTR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoF6KQ1Bhqo

Mmm, heal toe down shifting. Side note, why whenever any of my friends let me drive their cars, get pissed at me when I heal toe down shift in their cars?(except for you Jace) I'm only saving their clutch and maybe a little gas.

I'm gona go to that track someday and drive the hell out of whatever I'm allowed to rent over there. Then when I get old and almost decrepid, I'm gona drive on that track until I die in a horrific firery crash, or until I have a heart attack.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

To get this thread more on topic, the best race track in the entire world. Nurburgring Sudeschliefe and Nordeschliefe(I KNOW I spelled that wrong. ) It's not an E30, but almost as good, An E46 M3 GTR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoF6KQ1Bhqo

Mmm, heal toe down shifting. Side note, why whenever any of my friends let me drive their cars, get pissed at me when I heal toe down shift in their cars?(except for you Jace) I'm only saving their clutch and maybe a little gas.

I'm gona go to that track someday and drive the hell out of whatever I'm allowed to rent over there. Then when I get old and almost decrepid, I'm gona drive on that track until I die in a horrific firery crash, or until I have a heart attack.

i want that car.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Nurburgring Sudeschliefe and Nordeschliefe(I KNOW I spelled that wrong. )

You forgot the umlaut----->ü Nürburgring Sudeschleife and Nordscheife.

HEHEHE.....just messin' with ya.

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Mmm, heal toe down shifting. Side note, why whenever any of my friends let me drive their cars, get pissed at me when I heal toe down shift in their cars?(except for you Jace) I'm only saving their clutch and maybe a little gas.

I tought Angel how to blip and downshift on my car and he is mastering the basics pretty well! Very good and alert driver. Next is double clutching, heal toe, and proper apex entry/exit ...then I'll put him on an autocross run with my car.

[UAL747400]

I don't know how to do umlauts.

This is pointless in your car, but you should try double clutch-heal toe downshifts. What a pain in the ass. My turn in looks like butt when trying to do this at the same time. I can't do both at once yet. haha

This was in a mazdaspeed miata, so I was still trying to get used to the car in general. Granny car --> Miata is quite a jump performance wise as you can imagine. lol

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

I don't know how to do umlauts.

This is pointless in your car, but you should try double clutch-heal toe downshifts. What a pain in the ass. My turn in looks like butt when trying to do this at the same time. I can't do both at once yet. haha

This was in a mazdaspeed miata, so I was still trying to get used to the car in general. Granny car --> Miata is quite a jump performance wise as you can imagine. lol

MazdaSpeed Miatas are by far one the highest performance/price ratios ever. One of the best cars I've ever autocrossed.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

MazdaSpeed Miatas are by far one the highest performance/price ratios ever. One of the best cars I've ever autocrossed.

This is probably number one of course.

I think the miata would be more fun though. Even though the numbers the vette puts down are much higher than the miata, the miata would feel more like a toy than the vette I think. The vette probably has more of a race car feel, and race cars look scary. Having never driven a zo6 vette, I can't say my opinion comparing it to the miata is worth anything. Even though I think the miata would be more fun, the vette would still make my pants tight, if you know what I mean.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

This is probably number one of course.

I think the miata would be more fun though. Even though the numbers the vette puts down are much higher than the miata, the miata would feel more like a toy than the vette I think. The vette probably has more of a race car feel, and race cars look scary. Having never driven a zo6 vette, I can't say my opinion comparing it to the miata is worth anything. Even though I think the miata would be more fun, the vette would still make my pants tight, if you know what I mean.

Corvette...out of the entire American lineup of cars it's the only respectable high performance car that deserves to be called a real car. At least GM keeps that part right for the most part. Ford still lags behind -- typical. Chrysler at least has the Viper... but we'll see how long they last with their profits continually plunging below the ground.

[UAL747400]

You don't like any of these as well?

From GM:
Pontiac solstice
Pontiac GTO(I'll admit, it needs to get rid of those progressive springs)
Saturn sky(solstice with saturn badges)
Cadillac CTS-V
Saab 9-3

From Ford:
GT500(it's heavy, but dang near hangs with the vette)
Mazdaspeed3
Mazdaspeed miata
Miata
Any aston martin
Any land rover(I'm not sure how much a controlling share ford has with these guys)
Jaguar(except for the piece of #### x-type)

From Chrysler:
SRT-4 neon(just pretend you haven't seen them roll over during auto-x races haha)
Viper, you mentioned that

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

You don't like any of these as well?

From GM:
Pontiac solstice -400 lbs heavier than the Miata, weight=bad
Pontiac GTO -heavy, bulky, and lacks suspension refinement
Saturn sky(solstice with saturn badges) -Same chassis as the Solstice and is also 400 lbs heavier than the Miata
Cadillac CTS-V -Had potential, but WATCH THIS VIDEO.
Saab 9-3 -Good car, but developed originally by Saab...plus it's a $38,000-$42,000 front-wheel-drive car.

From Ford:
GT500(it's heavy, but dang near hangs with the vette)
Mazdaspeed3 -Ford can't take credit for this car
Mazdaspeed miata -Ford can't take credit for this car
Miata -Ford can't take credit for this car
Any aston martin -Ford can't take credit for this car
Any land rover -Ford can't take credit for this car
Jaguar -Ford can't take credit for this car, except for the stupid X-Type with the Ford Mondeo chassis and Ford Taurus interior components! YIKES! Dumb idea on Ford's part.

From Chrysler:
SRT-4 neon(just pretend you haven't seen them roll over during auto-x races haha) -Good car, sounds awesome with the right exhaust!
Viper, you mentioned that

/\ See my comments in bold! /\

[UAL747400]

Yeah, I've seen that CTS-V video from street fire. It's just one that had this probably that I've ever heard of. There are bad cars out there in every brand and every model. It did still get him home.

Except for the mazdas(I don't know why I even reall listed them, they own them, but mazda still operates fairly independantly from ford), ford actually has quite a bit of involvement in the other brands listed there especially aston martin, saab, and jaguar. I'm 90% positive the aston martin v8 vanquish has the modular ford v8 in it.

If anything, ford is the sole reason that saab, land rover, and aston martin still exist today.

I don't see where the gto lacks suspension refinement. The only short fall there that I see is that it has progressive rate springs. They are an entirely different animal if you switch those out. I'll give you heavy and bulky though.