Took the tour yesterday....random thoughts...

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by TonyC

I hope they offer a course in Reading Comprehension, and I hope you all take it.


Webster doesn't have any say in this game -- it's the University of North Dakota, and their procedure has already been quoted.


No, you don't have to plan to live there for twenty years. The procedure itself does not preclude one from being a resident just long enough to finish school -- but he has to assume the general responsibilities of legal residency.



I hope they offer a course in ethics, too.

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Tony don't go all slippery slope on us. It won't work.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by TonyC

I have understood from the beginning.


When you understand what is means to "assume the responsibilities of legal residency" you'll be on the right track.






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clearly we all do understand, as we have been deemed satisfactorily complying with requirements set forth by the governing agency.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by TonyC

When you understand what is means to "assume the responsibilities of legal residency" you'll be on the right track.

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Define it right now. I dare you.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by TonyC

I have understood from the beginning.


When you understand what is means to "assume the responsibilities of legal residency" you'll be on the right track..

Perhaps your definition is the incorrect one?
I want you to define it in your own words. Let's see it.

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by TonyC

And the point of that would be _______ ?


The right of a ND resident is to get a resident hunting/fishing license after 6 months of residency.






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just responding to the way you made your point. i am not a ND resident and i didn't try to become one either and cheat the system

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

just responding to the way you made your point. i am not a ND resident and i didn't try to become one either and cheat the system

i fail to see how any of us are cheating the system in any way.

we complied with the requirements set forth by UND.

thus we are awarded the benefits of such.

where is the cheating?

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Define it right now. I dare you.

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Perhaps your definition is the incorrect one?
I want you to define it in your own words. Let's see it.

My words are irrelevant.

I'm going to do this copy and paste slowly, so you can follow along:

Legal residence in the State of North Dakota includes, but is not necessarily limited to the following responsibilities and rights:

1. To vote in general or special elections in the State after 30 days of residence in the precinct (and assuming U.S. citizenship). See NDCC Section 16-01-03
2. To obtain a North Dakota driver's license before operating any motor vehicle in this State after more than 60 days of residency. See NDCC Section 39-06-02
3. To obtain a North Dakota license for any motor vehicle owned or operated after beginning residency in this State. See NDCC Section 39-04-18
4. To file a North Dakota resident's income tax return with the State Tax Department reporting any income derived from within this State. See NDCC Sections 57-38-01-(10) and 57-38-31
5. To obtain a North Dakota resident game or fishing license after 6 months of residency in the State. See NDCC Sections 20.1-01-02(4) and 20.1-03-05

Does that look familiar?









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[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by TonyC

My words are irrelevant.

I'm going to do this copy and paste slowly, so you can follow along:





Does that look familiar?


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I comply with 1 through 5.

Please clearly state how i am still "cheating the system".

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by TonyC

My words are irrelevant.

I'm going to do this copy and paste slowly, so you can follow along:





Does that look familiar?









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Yes it does. You just answered the question in our favour.

but is not necessarily limited to

I complied with those instructions. I earned my residency.

If I was cheating the system they would have denied me my residency.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

I comply with 1 through 5.

Please clearly state how i am still "cheating the system".

It's not cheating. No where does it say you have to be patriotic to the gorgeous country of ND.

[TXaviator]

if you feel that complying with the current regulations is not sufficient for me to enjoy the benefits of being a legal resident here, write your state legislator and have the law changed.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by TonyC

My words are irrelevant.
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You're right. You're wasting our time.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

i fail to see how any of us are cheating the system in any way.

we complied with the requirements set forth by UND.

thus we are awarded the benefits of such.

where is the cheating?

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Oh yeah that's right as Angel stated... DO NOT list a permanent address as out of state... ie... if you have a parent's address. That's an automatic disqualification. Just pretend that you moved from some other state to the wonderful beautiful North Dakota and make it sound like you're going to make North Dakota your wonderful place to live and make afamily for the rest of your life. (It is a great place to live! Seriously folks!

You're right -- I have no idea where I got the idea anyone might be trying to deceive anyone.












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[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

if you feel that complying with the current regulations is not sufficient for me to enjoy the benefits of being a legal resident here, write your state legislator and have the law changed.

They sure as hell have enough time for it.

[TXaviator]

thats valid advice.

if you have moved here for school, this is now your permanent address. your parents place is not your address anymore.

[SteveC]

If you:

-Have lived in North Dakota for more than 1 year prior to the beginning of the semester,
-Maintained residency there for the whole time (didn't go to your "home" state for three months over the summer - two week vacation O.K., all of summer break - no), including paying rent/mortgage and keeping your residence occupied,
-Have a ND driver's license (if you have a DL),
-Your car is registered in ND,
-Have voted in ND, or at least not voted anywhere else during your residency in ND,
-Paid into, and filed ND state income tax if you had a job there,

then congratulations, you're a resident. You can have in-state tuition.

Sounds like some of you guys have done all that. If so, I'll stand corrected.

Just don't "pretend".

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

If I was cheating the system they would have denied me my residency.

And maybe a course in logic.


If you are cheating the system, AND THEY CATCH YOU, they will deny you the residency.






You claim that you have assumed the responsibilities of legal residency. Why, then, would you advise someone to "pretend" and "make it sound like" in order to "assume" their responsibilities?






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[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by TonyC

I have understood from the beginning.


When you understand what is means to "assume the responsibilities of legal residency" you'll be on the right track.






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What are these other responsibilities you're talking about? I live here, have the ND drivers license, fishing license, vote, and PAY TAXES(not yelling, just emphasizing that) What else would you propose that I do? Get brainwashed to the point that I think I was born here and have never even seen another state?

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by TonyC

You're right -- I have no idea where I got the idea anyone might be trying to deceive anyone.












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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Oh yeah that's right as Angel stated... DO NOT list a permanent address as out of state... ie... if you have a parent's address. That's an automatic disqualification. Just pretend that you moved from some other state to the wonderful beautiful North Dakota and make it sound like you're going to make North Dakota your wonderful place to live and make afamily for the rest of your life. (It is a great place to live! Seriously folks!

I am giving this advice to people like me who are completely on their own living in this state YEAR ROUND. Everyone has some sort of permanent address, whether you're 40 or 18 years old. You may have a parent, sibling, or friend who's address you can provide as a permanent address. But even though you have no ties to these addresses (like me), they may deny you if you list a permanent address, under the notion that you are a "dependent" with parents out of state.

My permanent address is the address here in North Dakota. I am 25 years old and don't "go home to mommy and daddy" on summer break. I stay here year round. I listed this advice for the sake of saving people from making the mistake of listing some sort of "permanent address", therefore I used sarcasm.

But, if you are an 18 year old student living in the dorms and go home to mom and dad every break, you MUST have a permanent address, and shouldn't have the right to North Dakotan resident status. I think this is where you are getting confused. Me, AngelFuree, and TXAviator, are completely tied to this state full time, therefore deserve resident status according to the requirements listed by the school.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by SteveC

If you:

-Have lived in North Dakota for more than 1 year prior to the beginning of the semester,
-Maintained residency there for the whole time (didn't go to your "home" state for three months over the summer - two week vacation O.K., all of summer break - no), including paying rent/mortgage and keeping your residence occupied,
-Have a ND driver's license (if you have a DL),
-Your car is registered in ND,
-Have voted in ND, or at least not voted anywhere else during your residency in ND,
-Paid into, and filed ND state income tax if you had a job there,

then congratulations, you're a resident. You can have in-state tuition.

Sounds like some of you guys have done all that. If so, I'll stand corrected.

Just don't "pretend".

Yep, done all that except for the car because it technically isn't mine as it is registered to my parents. Doing so would probably be bad for my parent's residency in Iowa.

However, I don't see where it matters that I live here a year before starting school or apply after being here for a year though. Physically residing for a year is just that regardless of what you're doing(work, school, buying meth ).

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by SteveC

If you:

-Have lived in North Dakota for more than 1 year prior to the beginning of the semester,

Yes, I have.

-Maintained residency there for the whole time (didn't go to your "home" state for three months over the summer - two week vacation O.K., all of summer break - no), including paying rent/mortgage and keeping your residence occupied,

Yes. I have paid my $800 per month here at this apartment since August 2004, stayed here every summer (summer school, worked, etc), with the occasional visits to see the family.

In fact, I worked with a mortgage broker, a few lenders, and a realtor, got pre-approved for a $110,000 mortgage for a condo here, but decided it wasn't a good decision investment wise. I actually had intentions of buying real estate here (that would've been a bad move).

-Have a ND driver's license (if you have a DL),

Yes, I have a ND driver's license.

-Your car is registered in ND,

Car is registered in ND, would you like the plate #?

-Have voted in ND, or at least not voted anywhere else during your residency in ND,

I voted soon after I moved here. Even voted for George W. Bush (sorry TXAviator )

-Paid into, and filed ND state income tax if you had a job there,

I've filed ND state income tax every year I've lived here.

then congratulations, you're a resident. You can have in-state tuition.

Sounds like some of you guys have done all that. If so, I'll stand corrected.

Just don't "pretend".

BINGO! I'm a resident.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

However, I don't see where it matters that I live here a year before starting school or apply after being here for a year though. Physically residing for a year is just that regardless of what you're doing(work, school, buying meth ).

You don't have to live there for a year before starting school, you just have to live there for a year before you can attend school at the in-state tuition rates. The first year will be out-of-state.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by SteveC

You don't have to live there for a year before starting school, you just have to live there for a year before you can attend school at the in-state tuition rates. The first year will be out-of-state.

Oh ok, I just wasn't sure what you were saying there. I did infact pay out of state tuition the first year. A small sacrafice to what college could cost if I paid out of state tuition all 4 years.

[TonyC]

I'm so pleased that everyone has suddenly reformed and is now a legitimate resident of North Dakota.


It would have been so much easier if your previous advice had been sound, and in accordance with the letter and spirit of the law.

Originally Posted by UAL747400

What are these other responsibilities you're talking about? I live here, have the ND drivers license, fishing license, vote, and PAY TAXES(not yelling, just emphasizing that) What else would you propose that I do? Get brainwashed to the point that I think I was born here and have never even seen another state?

UAL747400, that question has been answered several times in this thread now. The answer can be found on your school's website, and that's really the only answer with which anyone need be concerned. The actions above are included (assuming that by PAY TAXES you mean income taxes -- sales taxes don't count). On the outside chance that you're not being facetious, no, you don't have to be born there; it's not on the list.



Here's more bad advice that would cause one to wonder:

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

If you choose to keep your out of state plates, do NOT state that you even own a car. Stating that you own a car that is registered in some other state will disqualify you from gaining residency.

DUH. That's why you shouldn't DO it, not why you should hide it.

Originally Posted by UAL747400

YES!

Sorry -- just paying taxes doesn't cut it. I pay taxes every time I overnight in Grand Forks -- should I get In-State tuition? Nope.








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[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Oh ok, I just wasn't sure what you were saying there. I did infact pay out of state tuition the first year. A small sacrafice to what college could cost if I paid out of state tuition all 4 years.

I paid out of state tuition the first year too (except it wasn't the full out of state tuition... it was the Western Exchange deal ND gives to a few states to try to lure residents that normally wouldn't want to go to North Dakota... it's only 1.5 times the in-state tuition - cheap).