Took the tour yesterday....random thoughts... - Page 3

UAL747400 · January 11th, 2007, 20:41

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

i pay taxes to this state.

i should get the benefits of such.

period.

YES!

TonyC · January 11th, 2007, 20:42

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

There's nothing wrong w/ an out-of-state student getting in-state tuition.

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Having to endure living in the state of North Dakota in itself warrants the reward of only paying in-state tuition.

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

i pay taxes to this state.

i should get the benefits of such.

period.

All of the above are patently false.

In-state tuition is for North Dakota residents. If you want to become a resident, LEGALLY, by all means, do. If you want to cheat the system, you're no better than the guy that pumps gas in his car and drives away from the station without paying. You may get away with it, and you may feel good about it, but it's wrong.

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I voted here in North Dakota for the presidential elections, I registered my car here with North Dakota plates, I dump in a #### load of my money into the local and state economy, I pay state taxes here, I pay sales tax everyday here, I pay a utility bill, I pay for a cable television service here, I pay rent here to an apartment complex, what more do you want of me to consider me as a North Dakota resident? I legitimately fulfilled the requirements of becoming a North Dakota resident and they approved me.

vote - good
registered car - good
contribute to the economy, pay sales taxes - good, but irrelevant
pay rent - good

what more? Answer us honestly -- do you have a North Dakota Driver's License?

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Ian J · January 11th, 2007, 20:42

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Tony, I'm not even going to waste my time going through quoting everything and refuting you one by one. Why are you even in here caring about this in the first place? You must have a lot of extra time on your hands.

Could it be because of this from a now locked thread?

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Originally Posted by Kristie

I have to admit, it would be nice, not to mention advantageous for everyone, if you took your "let your fingers do the walking" dictionary and wikipedia skillz and applied them a bit more *outside* the lav vs. trying to make corrections *inside* the lav...it doesn't have a whole heck of a lot of purpose here whereas out there, it would be much more useful for ALL the users/guests/lurkers esp. if put in an aviation setting!

I must admit your quite talented with that (must have a lot of time on your hands?) and i think it'd be a great benefit to everyone from Gen Topics to Flight Academies!

TonyC · January 11th, 2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by ChinookDriver

Could it be because of this from a now locked thread?

Grrrrr... don't make me start quotin' that thread.

Yes, when I say something, I expect to be believed. Honestly.

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JaceTheAce · January 11th, 2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by TonyC

what more? Answer us honestly -- do you have a North Dakota Driver's License?

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YES!!!!!! I forgot to list it. I do have one. In fact I have two because I thought I lost the first one. I gave up my California driver's license (that was painful).

I am now officially a North Dakotan, born and raised, I plan on retiring in this beautiful wonderful state and eat lufse and lutefisk for dinner everyday. And drive a Pontiac Grand Am just like everyone else here.

AngelFuree · January 11th, 2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by TonyC

shady advice about how to save money by cheating the system, pretending to be a North Dakota resident.

Cheating the system?

Wow.

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

What you bolded is COMPLETELY true. Reread the whole paragraph. It states if you leave the state (during break [e.g. summer break; three months]) to a state of previous (e.g. home state) residence, you lose ND residency. How so?

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Originally Posted by TonyC

Gee, I don't know. You're going to have to take that up with the University of North Dakota -- THEY WROTE IT!

It was a rhetorical question, Tony.

TXaviator · January 11th, 2007, 20:47

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Yeah. I sent my mother's birth certificate proving that she's Mexican last year but I sent it too late. I'm going to try again this year. All you need to be is 1/2 or 1/4 of a previously disadvantaged ethnicity. They invite you to apply for these things, it doesn't matter which state you come from.

the germanic tribes were previously disadvantaged during the reign of the Roman Empire.

i should apply for ethnic diversity waiver.

JaceTheAce · January 11th, 2007, 20:51

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

the germanic tribes were previously disadvantaged during the reign of the Roman Empire.

i should apply for ethnic diversity waiver.

LOL! Honestly I don't agree with the cultural diversity waivers since it isn't fair to fully white people, but heck, if they offer it to me while a poor college student I'm not going to turn it down!

They specifically list Black, Hispanic, American Indian, or Asian Americans as those who qualify. I am one of those (1/2 Mexican). Can't you tell from my avatar?...

lol......I don't look it.

TXaviator · January 11th, 2007, 20:51

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Originally Posted by TonyC

vote - good
registered car - good
contribute to the economy, pay sales taxes - good, but irrelevant
pay rent - good

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uh okay i DO all those things in north dakota. yet they are irrelevant??? by what measure are you judging whether or not i am a "resident" then???

and paying taxes here is VERY relevant. if i am paying taxes, then i am giving money to the local government to be used in the public interest for local services. one of which is education. by paying in my share, i am then ENTITLED to use that service. do you disagree?

AngelFuree · January 11th, 2007, 20:51

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

the germanic tribes were previously disadvantaged during the reign of the Roman Empire.

i should apply for ethnic diversity waiver.

I'm sure you would get it too if even Norwegians get the diversity waiver.

TonyC · January 11th, 2007, 20:52

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

YES!!!!!! I forgot to list it. I do have one.

Excellent. Why then would you advise anyone to do differently? Your advice included don't tell them you have a car, you don't need a Driver's License, and motor vehicle registration doesn't count. You told him to "PRETEND." That's not what you've done, and it's poor advice.

Don't pretend -- tell the truth.

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TXaviator · January 11th, 2007, 20:54

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I'm sure you would get it too if even Norwegians get the diversity waiver.

thats like paying rednecks from alabama to visit louisiana.

AngelFuree · January 11th, 2007, 20:55

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

LOL! Honestly I don't agree with the cultural diversity waivers since it isn't fair to fully white people, but heck, if they offer it to me while a poor college student I'm not going to turn it down!

I disagree w/ you. It is an excellent tactic to encourage students like me to attend UND. I'm not lying when I say this, but it was what sealed the deal for my attendance of this university. I knew about it before I came here. It's excellent marketing only to discover you didn't get it because you're not native-american-enough.

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They specifically list Black, Hispanic, American Indian, or Asian Americans as those who qualify. I am one of those (1/2 Mexican).

I think they just list that as examples, since it's more of a "historically under-represented groups" criteria. Proof of that is a member here who got it (non-black/hispanic/indian/asian).

JaceTheAce · January 11th, 2007, 20:57

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Originally Posted by TonyC

Excellent. Why then would you advise anyone to do differently? Your advice included don't tell them you have a car, you don't need a Driver's License, and motor vehicle registration doesn't count. That's not what you've done, and it's poor advice.
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Tony, let me explain once more since you seem to not have any clue as to what you're talking about.

I told people that mentioning that they own a car that is registered out of state is a disqualifier. From what I was told in the business office, a driver's license merely fulfills ONE of the options of demonstrating your residency and that motor vehicle registration DOES count, but as long as it's registered in the state of North Dakota.

It's not poor advice. I went through the process and got approved.

How difficult is it for you to understand?

SteveC · January 11th, 2007, 20:59

Are you guys go to tell me that you honestly consider yourselves residents of North Dakota, and deserve the tuition break?

It would be a simple matter to go back through some of the posts in this very forum to prove that most of you are not, nor have any intention of becoming, a citizen of North Dakota. And before you get back on your high horse and become indignent, go back are read very carefully those criteria that Tony quoted, especially the highlighted sections.

I wonder if the term "good moral character" ever comes into play in the future of your chosen profession?

Cheating the system...everybody does it so it must be O.K.

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JaceTheAce · January 11th, 2007, 20:59

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I disagree w/ you. It is an excellent tactic to encourage students like me to attend UND. I'm not lying when I say this, but it was what sealed the deal for my attendance of this university. I knew about it before I came here. It's excellent marketing only to discover you didn't get it because you're not native-american-enough.

I think they just list that as examples, since it's more of a "historically under-represented groups" criteria. Proof of that is a member here who got it (non-black/hispanic/indian/asian).

I didn't know about it until I saw the application in the financial aide office after I moved here.

JaceTheAce · January 11th, 2007, 21:01

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Originally Posted by SteveC

Are you guys go to tell me that you honestly consider yourselves residents of North Dakota, and deserve the tuition break?

It would be a simple matter to go back through some of the posts in this very forum to prove that most of you are not, nor have any intention of becoming, a citizen of North Dakota. And before you get back on your high horse and become indignent, go back are read very carefully those criteria that Tony quoted, especially the highlighted sections.

I wonder if the term "good moral character" ever comes into play in the future of your chosen profession?

Cheating the system...everybody does it so it must be O.K.

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Steve. We do our part as a resident. I live here year round. We fulfilled the requirements.

How do you know if I'm not going to stay here and make North Dakota my life long dream residence?

So what if I live here for the next 20 years. Even though I fulfilled all the requirements to become a ND resident you're telling me that I'm still not a resident?

I have absolutely NO personal ties to California whatsover, other than my family living there. Everything that I own is in North Dakota. I packed up a UHAUL full of every belonging of mine in the condo I rented in San Diego and moved it out here.

End of arguement.

TXaviator · January 11th, 2007, 21:06

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Originally Posted by SteveC

Are you guys go to tell me that you honestly consider yourselves residents of North Dakota, and deserve the tuition break?

It would be a simple matter to go back through some of the posts in this very forum to prove that most of you are not, nor have any intention of becoming, a citizen of North Dakota. And before you get back on your high horse and become indignent, go back are read very carefully those criteria that Tony quoted, especially the highlighted sections.

I wonder if the term "good moral character" ever comes into play in the future of your chosen profession?

Cheating the system...everybody does it so it must be O.K.

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steve, being a resident and fulfilling the legal obligations of such, and having north dakota be the love in my heart, are two VERY different things.

i am a resident, i fulfill the obligations required of me as such, and i FULLY AM ENTITLED TO the benefits of such, as I have fulfilled my end of the bargain.

this thread was:

1) resident = lower tuition!
2) how to most quickly and satisfactorily become a resident!
3) argument over why a resident is not a resident?

JaceTheAce · January 11th, 2007, 21:09

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

steve, being a resident and fulfilling the legal obligations of such, and having north dakota be the love in my heart, are two VERY different things.

i am a resident, i fulfill the obligations required of me as such, and i FULLY AM ENTITLED TO the benefits of such, as I have fulfilled my end of the bargain.

this thread was:

1) resident = lower tuition!
2) how to most quickly and satisfactorily become a resident!
3) argument over why a resident is not a resident?

Maybe we should start with a basic defenition of resident, since Steve does not seem to understand:

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Main Entry: 1res·i·dent

Pronunciation: 're-z&-d&nt, 'rez-d&nt, 're-z&-"dent
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin resident-, residens, present participle of residEre
1 a : living in a place for some length of time : RESIDING b : serving in a regular or full-time capacity <the resident engineer for a highway department>; also : being in residence
2 : PRESENT, INHERENT
3 : not migratory <resident species>

"Living in a place for some length of time"

AngelFuree · January 11th, 2007, 21:10

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Originally Posted by SteveC

Are you guys go to tell me that you honestly consider yourselves residents of North Dakota, and deserve the tuition break?

It would be a simple matter to go back through some of the posts in this very forum to prove that most of you are not, nor have any intention of becoming, a citizen of North Dakota. And before you get back on your high horse and become indignent, go back are read very carefully those criteria that Tony quoted, especially the highlighted sections.

I wonder if the term "good moral character" ever comes into play in the future of your chosen profession?

Cheating the system...everybody does it so it must be O.K.

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Yes, I consider myself a resident of North Dakota. Do I like it here? Absolutely not. I hate it here, but that doesn't make me a non-resident. Hating the place doesn't deter me from physically residing in this state.
edit:txaviator beat me to it.

Furthermore, the application is not for actual ND residency. It is an application of "ND Residency for Tuition Purposes," only.

Too hard to understand?

JaceTheAce · January 11th, 2007, 21:13

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Yes, I consider myself a resident of North Dakota. Do I like it here? Absolutely not. I hate it here, but that doesn't make me a non-resident. Hating the place doesn't deter me from physically residing in this state.
edit:txaviator beat me to it.

Furthermore, the application is not for actual ND residency. It is an application of "ND Residency for Tuition Purposes," only.

Too hard to understand?

There we go. Covers my response too.

I don't know why that would be so hard for Steve to understand.

I'm completely baffled.

TonyC · January 11th, 2007, 21:18

I hope they offer a course in Reading Comprehension, and I hope you all take it.

Webster doesn't have any say in this game -- it's the University of North Dakota, and their procedure has already been quoted.

No, you don't have to plan to live there for twenty years. The procedure itself does not preclude one from being a resident just long enough to finish school -- but he has to assume the general responsibilities of legal residency.

I hope they offer a course in ethics, too.

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AngelFuree · January 11th, 2007, 21:19

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Originally Posted by TonyC

No, you don't have to plan to live there for twenty years. The procedure itself does not preclude one from being a resident just long enough to finish school -- but he has to assume the general responsibilities of legal residency.
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Excellent, you finally understood.

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I hope they offer a course in ethics, too.

Excellent, you can come and teach it. I'm sure you would fit in.

UAL747400 · January 11th, 2007, 21:22

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Originally Posted by SteveC

Are you guys go to tell me that you honestly consider yourselves residents of North Dakota, and deserve the tuition break?

It would be a simple matter to go back through some of the posts in this very forum to prove that most of you are not, nor have any intention of becoming, a citizen of North Dakota. And before you get back on your high horse and become indignent, go back are read very carefully those criteria that Tony quoted, especially the highlighted sections.

I wonder if the term "good moral character" ever comes into play in the future of your chosen profession?

Cheating the system...everybody does it so it must be O.K.

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How am I cheating the system? I've been here year round the last 2 years and will continue to for the next two years at least. I've accomplished everything on that list for applying for residency(except for registering a car, because it's registered to my parents).

People move around all the time for jobs and other reasons. What's different about me doing the same to attend school?

Look, they offer a residency application, I filled it out and was accepted. Frankly I'm offended that you question my moral character. Maybe ND should make their residency requirements more stingent or UND should refuse our applications. I reside here year round contribute to the economy just as much as any other North Dakotan so how does that not make me a resident?

Do I have to like it all the way down to my soul and abandon all notions that I'm originally from Iowa to be a resident?

TonyC · January 11th, 2007, 21:22

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

January 11th, 2007, 20:59	#65
SteveC Ameliorator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,871	Re: Took the tour yesterday....random thoughts... Are you guys go to tell me that you honestly consider yourselves residents of North Dakota, and deserve the tuition break? It would be a simple matter to go back through some of the posts in this very forum to prove that most of you are not, nor have any intention of becoming, a citizen of North Dakota. And before you get back on your high horse and become indignent, go back are read very carefully those criteria that Tony quoted, especially the highlighted sections. I wonder if the term "good moral character" ever comes into play in the future of your chosen profession? Cheating the system...everybody does it so it must be O.K. . __________________ . If life gives you lemons, throw 'em into a quart of vodka. ~Red Green

January 11th, 2007, 21:18	#72
TonyC Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,648	Re: Took the tour yesterday....random thoughts... I hope they offer a course in Reading Comprehension, and I hope you all take it. Webster doesn't have any say in this game -- it's the University of North Dakota, and their procedure has already been quoted. No, you don't have to plan to live there for twenty years. The procedure itself does not preclude one from being a resident just long enough to finish school -- but he has to assume the general responsibilities of legal residency. I hope they offer a course in ethics, too. . __________________ <~ Tony C ~> The truth only hurts if it should.