Took the tour yesterday....random thoughts...

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

i made the mistake of telling them i had a car and have to give up my precious TX license plates!!!

VERY SAD

I made the mistake by giving up my precious CA plates too Now I have a license plate with a buffalo designed by a local government graphic designer intern. *YUCK!*

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I made the mistake by giving up my precious CA plates too Now I have a license plate with a buffalo designed by a local government graphic designer intern. *YUCK!*

They hired a Californian graphic designer, I'm sure.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I made the mistake by giving up my precious CA plates too Now I have a license plate with a buffalo designed by a local government graphic designer intern. *YUCK!*

I've still have my Iowa plates. w00t My car's registered to my parents, and I don't think my cougar is registered anywhere yet. YUCK, Ugly ass ND plates on a classic car. Where's the throw up smilie.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

So I can watch some liberal-biased documentary called Who Killed the Electric Car? so I can be brainwashed by Democrats and Green Party conspiracies, with such powerful persuasive bull##### that I switch from voting Republican to Democrat come next presidential election.

I didn't watch it but read about it. Entertaining at best. haha I think they blamed GM and the oil companies if I remember right.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

I didn't watch it but read about it. Entertaining at best. haha I think they blamed GM and the oil companies if I remember right.

They did. Typical liberals. Little do they realize that the stupid electric car was not profitable, nor is maintaining a stock of spare parts for a small amount of cars. The one and ONLY point in operating a business is to make profits.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

They did. Typical liberals. Little do they realize that the stupid electric car was not profitable, nor is maintaining a stock of spare parts for a small amount of cars. The one and ONLY point in operating a business is to make profits.

I find it hard to believe how an educated person like yourself would go so far to developing such a strong political inclination, bashing the opposite political party at any possible given chance.

: argue:

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I find it hard to believe how an educated person like yourself would go so far to developing such a strong political inclination, bashing the opposite political party at any possible given chance.

: argue:

callate chupapitos vete al carajo

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

They did. Typical liberals. Little do they realize that the stupid electric car was not profitable, nor is maintaining a stock of spare parts for a small amount of cars. The one and ONLY point in operating a business is to make profits.

Not to mention setting up a brand new infrastructure to charge these things. The current power grid isn't going to cut it if you were gona charge these things at your house.

Kind of related, I find it interesting that the prius that all these evironmental activists drool over has one of the highest environmental foot prints of any car ever made. The gas guzzling H2 actually has a MUCH lower environmental impact than the prius, and quite a few other hybrids and fuel efficient vehicles. The first jeep wragler was determind to have the lowest effect on the environment. Hybrids...

Damn, sorry for the hijack.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

callate chupapitos vete al carajo

"You know I don't speak spanish!"

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

I've still have my Iowa plates. w00t My car's registered to my parents, and I don't think my cougar is registered anywhere yet. YUCK, Ugly ass ND plates on a classic car. Where's the throw up smilie.

just get the classic or historic plates

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

just get the classic or historic plates

Haha, I think the two white ones are only ones that wouldn't be offensive. That new one though.

[BuickCFI]

i was thinking of these

Antique Motor Plates

These plates are available only to vehicles that are at least 40 years old. Often, if available, the special number of this plate reflects the year in which the vehicle was manufactured. registering under "antique" vehicle costs $10. If you opt for a special letter plate, you must pay a one-time $100 fee. To order, submit a completed SPL form.

http://www.dmv.org/nd-north-dakota/license-plates.php

personally i am from MN and they only require a 25 year old car to get the similar plates. one time fee would pay for itself in like 3 years

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

You are incorrect. We are talking about residency for tuition purposes here. Although that may be correct for residency for purpose of becoming a North Dakota resident (maybe for employment purposes?). Direct from the UND website:

Source: http://www.und.edu/dept/busoff/html/ndresidencyinfo.htm

So if someone who is blind can't legally obtain a driver's license they can't become a resident? You don't need a driver's license.

According to the website, a hunting or fishing license supports proof that you are a resident of the state of North Dakota. *Yeehaa!*

And motor vehicle registration does count:

I believe you are misreading the first line of the paragraph you have quoted. The actions listed do not in and of themselves constitute residency in North Dakota -- they are responsibilities and rights of North Dakota residents.


It's easy to jump ahead and look at a list, but you really need to read the paragraphs that precede that list more carefully.

NDUS Procedures

SUBJECT: STUDENT AFFAIRS

EFFECTIVE: August 18, 2005

Procedure: 504 Residency for Tuition Purposes

1. NDCC Section 15-10-19.1 governs determination of residency for tuition purposes. Pursuant to section 15-10-19.1, a resident student for tuition purposes means:

b. A person eighteen years of age or older who has been a legal resident of North Dakota for twelve months immediately prior to the beginning of the academic term;

Further down we read:

3.

NDCC Section 54-01-26 governs determination of legal residency. Legal residence must be based on an actual physical residence in North Dakota plus an intent to consider this state as a home and legal residence for a substantial period of time. Physical residence in the state for only the special or temporary purpose of attending an institution of higher education, without any assumption of the general responsibilities of legal residency, does not qualify one for legal residency. Nevertheless, a student attending a North Dakota institution of higher education is not precluded from proving legal residency simply because that is the student's primary or exclusive pursuit for a period of time. It is not necessary to show gainful employment or an off-campus residency to prove legal residency, although they may be helpful; what is more important is a showing that some of the significant responsibilities or rights of legal residency enumerated in subsection 4 have been assumed or exercised, or even more importantly, that they have not been countered during a period of legal residency claimed in North Dakota by express acts indicating a legal residency in another state. Generally, because making false statements in a residency application is a crime, an applicant's signature is sufficient guarantee that information in the application is accurate. However, university system employees may, at their discretion, require additional documentation.

And then there's this:

5.

Given the academic tradition of recess or vacation periods for holidays, between terms, and during the summer, a student's visits to other states during these periods are not indicative of a lack of legal residency in North Dakota; in fact; NDCC Section 54-01-26 expressly allows absences for "special or temporary purposes." A student's return from North Dakota to a former state of residence for a period of several months (such as an entire summer), however, when combined with the abandonment of a place of residency in this State indicates abandonment of legal residency in North Dakota. Proof of either the retention of a place of residence in North Dakota during the absence (e.g., by rent receipts), or of a special or temporary purpose for the absence, is required in the event of such a prolonged absence. For example, participation in an internship experience or an exchange program in a state of origin that was an acceptable part of the student's academic program at a North Dakota institution of higher education is considered a special or temporary purpose.

I wouldn't take this very lightly.

Originally Posted by JaceThe Ace

Get two (2) of the following things as soon as you get here:

• Hunting license
• Fishing license
• ND driver's license
• Register your car in ND

Hunting license -- requires 6 months residency
Fishing license -- ditto
ND driver's license -- required after 60 days of ND Residency

Let's talk about the Driver's License. Paragraph 4 above says that is is REQUIRED that ND residents "obtain a North Dakota driver's license before operating any motor vehicle in this State after more than 60 days of residency." Farva said, "To obtain the ND residency you need a drivers license from ND." JaceTheAce said, "You are incorrect. . . . if someone who is blind can't legally obtain a driver's license they can't become a resident? You don't need a driver's license."

Well, you both missed an important element of the qualification -- before operating any motor vehicle. A person who is legally blind will not be operating any motor vehicle -- hopefully -- so they don't need a North Dakota Driver's License to prove residency. If YOU, however, decide to operate a motor vehicle in North Dakota after more than 60 days of residency, you must have a North Dakota Driver's License. There's not option. To do otherwise fails the test of Residency. The list above is not only rights, it's responsibilities. If you show me a North Dakota Driver's License that you obtained June 1, 2006, you cannot convince me that you have been a North Dakota resident since January 1, 2006. You could only have been a North Dakota resident for a maximum of 60 days before obtaining the Driver's License.

Take a look in your wallet.


(Wouldn't it be a drag to lose your Resident Status? You're about to graduate, the Bursar's Office notifies you of a small fee that's outstanding on your balance, you go to the office to pay it off before meeting the folks for graduation, you whip out your checkbook, they ask for your Driver's License, you present your California Driver's License -- ooops . . . that'll be $60,000 please.)



Register your car -- the list says this is a responsibility of a North Dakota resident. It's not just something you can do to "prove" you're a resident, it's something you must do if you're a resident. If you own or operate a motor vehicle in North Dakota, and you are a North Dakota resident, it is your responsibility to register it in North Dakota



Now, a quick visit back to Paragraph 3. above, and I'll stop preaching.

"It is not necessary to show gainful employment or an off-campus residency to prove legal residency, although they may be helpful; what is more important is a showing that some of the significant responsibilities or rights of legal residency enumerated in subsection 4 have been assumed or exercised, or even more importantly, that they have not been countered during a period of legal residency claimed in North Dakota by express acts indicating a legal residency in another state."

Maintaining a Driver's License, or Motor Vehicle Registration, or voting in a state other than North Dakota indicates a legal residency in another state.



Be careful out there.






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[BuickCFI]

Hunting license -- requires 6 months residency
Fishing license -- ditto

you can get out of state licenses

[TXaviator]

Register your car -- the list says this is a responsibility of a North Dakota resident. It's not just something you can do to "prove" you're a resident, it's something you must do if you're a resident. If you own or operate a motor vehicle in North Dakota, and you are a North Dakota resident, it is your responsibility to register it in North Dakota

if the vehicle may in fact be registered in someone else's name, such as a parent, then they are the owner of the car, and merely letting you borrow it for an extended amount of time in a far away place ;-)

(doesnt apply to me though, i own my vehicle de facto and on paper, thus i had to get plates here for it.)

im really not sure what you were getting at with the rest of your rant.

we merely advised the quick route to demonstrating legal residency here.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

im really not sure what you were getting at with the rest of your rant.

we merely advised the quick route to demonstrating legal residency here.

OK, I'll condense it.

You have to be a resident 6 months to obtain a resident hunting or fishing license.


Getting a ND Driver's license is not an option if you drive.


Living there without assuming the responsibilities of residents, just so you can go to college, doesn't make you a legal resident.


It's against the law to make false statements in a residency application.





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[TonyC]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

you can get out of state licenses

And the point of that would be _______ ?


The right of a ND resident is to get a resident hunting/fishing license after 6 months of residency.






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[AngelFuree]

Tony,

Normally, I like reading your posts 'cause they're usually informative/relevant. That post, however.....I have no idea why you created it. Weiiiird. What are you trying to argue here? Maybe THIS part would have been sufficient, if at all necessary:

NDCC Section 54-01-26 governs determination of legal residency. Legal residence must be based on an actual physical residence in North Dakota plus an intent to consider this state as a home and legal residence for a substantial period of time. Physical residence in the state for only the special or temporary purpose of attending an institution of higher education, without any assumption of the general responsibilities of legal residency, does not qualify one for legal residency. Nevertheless, a student attending a North Dakota institution of higher education is not precluded from proving legal residency simply because that is the student's primary or exclusive pursuit for a period of time. It is not necessary to show gainful employment or an off-campus residency to prove legal residency, although they may be helpful; what is more important is a showing that some of the significant responsibilities or rights of legal residency enumerated in subsection 4 have been assumed or exercised, or even more importantly, that they have not been countered during a period of legal residency claimed in North Dakota by express acts indicating a legal residency in another state. Generally, because making false statements in a residency application is a crime, an applicant's signature is sufficient guarantee that information in the application is accurate. However, university system employees may, at their discretion, require additional documentation.

What baffles me is that you're trying to prove something wrong...when in reality what you cite doesn't aid in your argument (whatever it maybe) whatsoever:

5.

Given the academic tradition of recess or vacation periods for holidays, between terms, and during the summer, a student's visits to other states during these periods are not indicative of a lack of legal residency in North Dakota; in fact; NDCC Section 54-01-26 expressly allows absences for "special or temporary purposes." A student's return from North Dakota to a former state of residence for a period of several months (such as an entire summer), however, when combined with the abandonment of a place of residency in this State indicates abandonment of legal residency in North Dakota. Proof of either the retention of a place of residence in North Dakota during the absence (e.g., by rent receipts), or of a special or temporary purpose for the absence, is required in the event of such a prolonged absence. For example, participation in an internship experience or an exchange program in a state of origin that was an acceptable part of the student's academic program at a North Dakota institution of higher education is considered a special or temporary purpose.

What you bolded is COMPLETELY true. Reread the whole paragraph. It states if you leave the state (during break [e.g. summer break; three months]) to a state of previous (e.g. home state) residence, you lose ND residency. How so? Take a typical college student living in the dorms, for example. Upon reaching summer vacation, the student must abandon the dorms, the place of residency. He/she no longer lives in that same address, nor are they returning to the same address after the break which equals abandonment of the place of residency. There is no means of "keeping" that place of residency due to the the nature of how dorms work. The only way around this is if you hold an apartment, or stay here in the summer (which was the case for me staying here for the past three summers, unfortunately), otherwise, your ND residency is gone.

I don't drive a vehicle, I don't own a vehicle, yet I still needed to get a ND driver's permit/license before applying for local residency.

What exactly is it that you are trying to argue here?

[JaceTheAce]

Tony, I'm not even going to waste my time going through quoting everything and refuting you one by one. Why are you even in here caring about this in the first place? You must have a lot of extra time on your hands.

[SteveC]

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

...then they should clearly reject our residency applications.
There's nothing wrong w/ an out-of-state student getting in-state tuition.
That's their problem. Most of us students come to the university w/o clear future plans. For all you know, most aviation students end up teaching here indefinitely anyway.

and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota

??????
They'd be losing more money if I don't attend the University in the first place due inaffordability. They're not really losing money.

edit: Would it hurt you more to know I'm getting a tuition waiver for cultural diversity? You can start tearing up.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

Having to endure living in the state of North Dakota in itself warrants the reward of only paying in-state tuition.

I voted here in North Dakota for the presidential elections, I registered my car here with North Dakota plates, I dump in a #### load of my money into the local and state economy, I pay state taxes here, I pay sales tax everyday here, I pay a utility bill, I pay for a cable television service here, I pay rent here to an apartment complex, what more do you want of me to consider me as a North Dakota resident? I legitimately fulfilled the requirements of becoming a North Dakota resident and they approved me.

Said.

And.

Done.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

i pay taxes to this state.

i should get the benefits of such.

period.

[TonyC]

<sigh>

I'm sorry if I interefered with the club, guys. I noticed on the New Posts page that somebody had taken a tour, and had some random thoughts. As I read through the thread, I noticed that he was being given rather shady advice about how to save money by cheating the system, pretending to be a North Dakota resident.


I think that's bad advice.

Originally Posted by AngelFuree