pinnacle hiring

[Siberianflyer]

Don't know if everybody had heard this, but pinnacle took a UND student / instructor, (just hired by und this semester,) with about 280 total time yesterday. (will leave his name out) Along with 15 - 20 other instructors.

[Ian J]

Uh oh... 100 post rant ahead!

[ErikTheGed]

That kid is a baller

[surreal1221]

I wonder what desk they found him under. .. doing what naughty things one would be doing. . .

/me sits back with popcorn. . . where is that emoticon!

[Farva]

Originally Posted by Siberianflyer

Don't know if everybody had heard this, but pinnacle took a UND student / instructor, (just hired by und this semester,) with about 280 total time yesterday. (will leave his name out) Along with 15 - 20 other instructors.

geez alex, i knew you were good but not that good. So who was it really you can tell me man? Anyway 280 hours TT, must be a gosh darn all-star. Anyway take it easy.

-Farva

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by Siberianflyer

Don't know if everybody had heard this, but pinnacle took a UND student / instructor, (just hired by und this semester,) with about 280 total time yesterday.

Hired him to load bags.....I hope.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by NJA_Capt

Hired him to load bags.....I hope.

"But-but-but-but........but, he took 1st place in aircraft recognition on the flying team and had a 4.0 GPA and always sat in the front of the classroom asking and answering questions"

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

"But-but-but-but........but, he took 1st place in aircraft recognition on the flying team and had a 4.0 GPA and always sat in the front of the classroom asking and answering questions"

yeah man sounds like the kind of guy i wanna be on a 3 day trip with.

:sarc asm:

[Snickersnwa]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

"But-but-but-but........but, he took 1st place in aircraft recognition on the flying team and had a 4.0 GPA and always sat in the front of the classroom asking and answering questions"

Originally Posted by TXaviator

yeah man sounds like the kind of guy i wanna be on a 3 day trip with.

:sarc asm:

It's pretty obvious that you guys don't know who this person is...

I'll agree, the TT does seem a little low, but this isn't the first time people have been hired with not much TT. Congrats (name witheld)!

[taildragger173]

I also know who the guy is and you guys are way off.

[DE727UPS]

I don't care who he is, he doesn't belong in the right seat of a commercial jet at 280 hours.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

I also know who the guy is and you guys are way off.

I wouldn't want a low-time pilot like that flying me around. Not even with 500. Yikes. Scary.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

I also know who the guy is and you guys are way off.

i was only commenting on jace's fictional character who is the epitome of aviation geek.

i make no comment about whoever this person is that got hired, and frankly i dont give a damn.

[Farva]

Some of you guys on this forum really need to get your self a reality check. Though 280 hours is low for most airlines, there is no federal regulation for FO at a airline to have a certain amount of hours. Also the point is that the person who did get hired is not going to be flying the CRJ tomarrow on a revenue flight. He is going to training and learning the standards and jet operation required for pinnalce airline operations. I congratulate to the person who got the job. Good luck man and will see ya sometime down the road.

-farva

[mikecweb]

I shoulda gone to UND

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

I shoulda gone to UND

You won't be a successful pilot if you don't choose UND.™

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by Farva

...there is no federal regulation for FO at a airline to have a certain amount of hours.

Likewise, there is no regulation that says we have to approve or accept this practice. It has nothing to do with the applicants themselves, but has everything to do with (regional) airline policy and ethics.

[TXaviator]

on a related note... what exactly is pinnacle starting these pilots PAY at???

14 bucks an hour??

yeah, sounds like an awesome deal!! big shiny jet!!

[AngelFuree]

I'm a firm believer that TT isn't always indicative of a pilot's skill/experience, etc...HOWEVER, at 280TT, the student just got done flying Seminoles, and the transition to a jet from a small airplane for a pilot that has only flown this multi-engine plane for a few hours for the sake of stage-check completion is ridiculous. And if this pilot is really that good at flying, then why on earth do we not have him/her as a fighter pilot or an acro pilot. Those are the jobs that need these excellent pilots.

I don't know who it was, but either way, congrats to the person who got hired. He/she must be pumped, and I don't blame'em.

edit: omg, I was almost forgetting. I'm sorry, but if I were an airline, I would NOT trust a 280TT pilot to be flying my passengers, when the only environment he/she has been exposed to is the GFK bubble. My god, the experience you get here is SOOOOO not real-world! I say this from experience.

[TXaviator]

and lets not all kid ourselves... no matter how awesome you are, im not sure id trust MYSELF at 280TT and only (or at least MOSTLY) have been flying in the UND bubble world, to have a jet full of passengers behind me.

i dont believe that after having ~250 hours in UND bubble land that i am going to be 100% prepared to do real-world flying right off the bat. im sure there will be a transitional period to adjust and apply book knowledge to real-world situations.

[UAL747400]

Yeah, I have to agree. While I think you'd do just fine in normal situations, I think with an emergency on your hands the captain would have to take up a lot of your slack. That's just a guess from me though. 280 seems pretty low to me. Heck, I have 280 hours, granted I'm not done with training, nor have even had a job yet. If that makes a differenc.

[Dj To Rule]

I'm glad he got hired! Makes you all jealous doesn't it

Table skills, flying skills, doesn't matter, he's got a job, a life to catch.

Don't know who it is, either way congrats!

[Farva]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I'm a firm believer that TT isn't always indicative of a pilot's skill/experience, etc...HOWEVER, at 280TT, the student just got done flying Seminoles, and the transition to a jet from a small airplane for a pilot that has only flown this multi-engine plane for a few hours for the sake of stage-check completion is ridiculous. And if this pilot is really that good at flying, then why on earth do we not have him/her as a fighter pilot or an acro pilot. Those are the jobs that need these excellent pilots.

I don't know who it was, but either way, congrats to the person who got hired. He/she must be pumped, and I don't blame'em.

edit: omg, I was almost forgetting. I'm sorry, but if I were an airline, I would NOT trust a 280TT pilot to be flying my passengers, when the only environment he/she has been exposed to is the GFK bubble. My god, the experience you get here is SOOOOO not real-world! I say this from experience.

well what makes you think he just got done flying the seminole? I know the guy and well you are so far off from the truth its hilarious and I know the UND flight instructors on the forums will agree. I would say until you know who the person is I would not cast judgement on there flying abilities. For those who feel that 280 hours TT in the UND bubble is not real world flying expereiocne may have some truth to it but I also know that UND bubble has its very challenging points to it. I just think you guys need to stop the judgement of this guy and say congrats and nothing more. None of this at 280 hours is not ready to fly a CRj crap. I know that the most of you who post on here are not UND flight instructors and are not even in 414. So I would be careful because there are UND flight instructors on here and when you start dogging UND, Flight Instructors, and anything else to complain about, they read and they remember who said what, and who is to say that they may not give you a hard time when they are flying with you?
-Farva

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

I don't care who he is, he doesn't belong in the right seat of a commercial jet at 280 hours.

And I haven't a reason in the world to be jealous. Frightened, yes.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by Farva

well what makes you think he just got done flying the seminole? I know the guy and well you are so far off from the truth its hilarious and I know the UND flight instructors on the forums will agree. I would say until you know who the person is I would not cast judgement on there flying abilities. For those who feel that 280 hours TT in the UND bubble is not real world flying expereiocne may have some truth to it but I also know that UND bubble has its very challenging points to it. I just think you guys need to stop the judgement of this guy and say congrats and nothing more. None of this at 280 hours is not ready to fly a CRj crap. I know that the most of you who post on here are not UND flight instructors and are not even in 414. So I would be careful because there are UND flight instructors on here and when you start dogging UND, Flight Instructors, and anything else to complain about, they read and they remember who said what, and who is to say that they may not give you a hard time when they are flying with you?
-Farva

You might want to read my post again. I congratulated the guy though I still hold my stance on what I said. Furthermore, you are right. I'm not in 414. I'm about done w/ CFII, and if you think I'm gonna hold back my opinions in fear that it may compromise camaraderie from 15, 20, 30, or 100 UND CFIs on JC or anywhere else, then you're wrong. Nothing that has been said here is directed at the individual, and if what has been said hurts his/her/your UND pride, then so be it. After all, being a UND student/instructor should make you the proudest person ever.

I'm getting close to 3 years of being at this school. Even though networking is important, I'm not gonna hold my thoughts or opinions on something just for the sake of kissing some ass. There's plenty of people to network from, and I know plenty more cool people in the aviation department at UND and outside UND. You might think that I say all of this in the forums because you can't see my face, but believe me....I stand out pretty easily in a crowd of 50,000 NDans, and even if you didn't know me, you could easily guess who I am. The thought doesn't bother me, I don't hide. The character that a lot of you guys in the UND forums might not like about me is what has also gotten me many firm connections and friends.

Why am I taking the time to write this post? Simple. I do it because I think way too many people are ####ified because of networking and lots of UND students should wake up.

This is going way off-topic, I must admit, but I've noticed a continuing trend in students letting themselves being treated as simple students here from fear of retaliation by the upper ladder or simply because they don't care.
I see a lot of mistreatment to students by new hires and by older CFIs where the students don't speak up. I'm so sick and tired of seeing that. You don't know how much it bothers me when I see students coward beneath their CFIs and other school employees because they feel so inferior to them that they're just afraid of speaking up, or even students taking sh t from cocky SOFs or cocky airport employees. I'm not even saying that you should argue getting down to a low class, but don't let those employees go on a power-trip with you just because you think it might affect your chances of networking or getting hired. Honestly, you don't know how many times I've spoken up to those types of people. I don't argue w/ them, because there's no reason for me to argue with them. I'm paying them and I'm the customer, and they realize it when you set your attitude as a customer. No one will step on you if you take the firm stance. Now, if you coward like the 100lb freshman kids, everyone will step on you. Quite sad to say, but the customer relations at UND has been declining so much these past few months. I am happy to say that a few of the leads are doing an excellent job so far with treating students as customers, and that makes me happy, but I would be happier if other instructors and employees would learn from these individuals and raise their level of professionalism.
Step up guys.

/end off-topic rant.