pinnacle hiring - Page 2

AngelFuree · November 30th, 2006, 03:31

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

And I haven't a reason in the world to be jealous. Frightened, yes.

x 2. I'm happy that, out of all people, two ERAU graduates, stereotyped to be the cream of the prickiest, speak up to this nonsense.

Foxcow · November 30th, 2006, 03:45

Does this guy have any instruction given under his belt?

Doug Taylor · November 30th, 2006, 03:52

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Originally Posted by Foxcow

Does this guy have any instruction given under his belt?

Prolly not, but he's going to have a lot of line flying dual-received! wakka wakka wakka!

mikecweb · November 30th, 2006, 06:50

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Originally Posted by Farva

well what makes you think he just got done flying the seminole? I know the guy and well you are so far off from the truth its hilarious and I know the UND flight instructors on the forums will agree. I would say until you know who the person is I would not cast judgement on there flying abilities. For those who feel that 280 hours TT in the UND bubble is not real world flying expereiocne may have some truth to it but I also know that UND bubble has its very challenging points to it. I just think you guys need to stop the judgement of this guy and say congrats and nothing more. None of this at 280 hours is not ready to fly a CRj crap. I know that the most of you who post on here are not UND flight instructors and are not even in 414. So I would be careful because there are UND flight instructors on here and when you start dogging UND, Flight Instructors, and anything else to complain about, they read and they remember who said what, and who is to say that they may not give you a hard time when they are flying with you?
-Farva

Yeah uh congrats. Is this guy some sort of hero for you folks up there in the great white north. Sounds like it and I guess your thinking by kissing his butt, praising him, and defending him will somehow get you the same gig??? I don't care if this guy was the son of the President of PCL at 280 hours you haven't seen enough flying days/nights to be experienced enough to fly that shiny jet.
Is 414 some course up there? Or are we referring to the airplane. Regardless, I'm not dogging UND or their flight instructors. I hope they read and remember what this industry is coming to. You guys should have shirts that say "Fear the UND Flight Instructors"...."They may fly with you and give you a hard time". What a joke.

SteveC · November 30th, 2006, 10:21

Maybe this subject gets a little old at times, but I don't think that the new guys understand when we say that there is more to flying jets than being a good pilot or a smart guy or passing checkrides with flying colors. The reality is that there is one more piece to the puzzle - experience. People get experience by: flying in the system; seeing and dealing with all kinds of weather; dealing with other people, both in and out of the cockpit; handling equipment malfunctions; dealing with turbulence and icing and thunderstorms; making hundreds of decisions about what the weather is doing, what it might do, and how to respond to it; learning how the ATC system works in the real world day-to-day operations; learning the vagaries of your aircraft and what parameters are most important to follow and which ones are less lethal; and literally thousands of other things that you learn every time you fly, one day, one flight at a time. There is nothing that will make up for experience. A 280 hour pilot can not and does not have enough time in the system with real world flight experience, to truly be an asset in a jet cockpit. I don't care if he has Bob Hoover-like stick skills, he doesn't belong there.

Doug Taylor · November 30th, 2006, 10:40

As Jtrain would say, "word".

Siberianflyer · November 30th, 2006, 10:49

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Originally Posted by ChinookDriver

Uh oh... 100 post rant ahead!

you must have one of those magic 8 ball things you shake up, that's the only possible way....

"I am Ron Burgundy, go fu*% yourself San Diego." - Ron Burgundy
" habalbabalugvalvuslhafe man" - Brick

CaptainChris87 · November 30th, 2006, 13:50

I say congratulations to the guy, hes an example of it can be done and we can be there someday.

Bignellyxx · November 30th, 2006, 15:02

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

yeah man sounds like the kind of guy i wanna be on a 3 day trip with.

:sarc asm:

I would love to be on a 3-day trip with anyone from this forum. Hopefully i would travel with my chute!

Ian J · November 30th, 2006, 15:17

I'll say this... the experts on this site, the guys who really care about aviation, like Doug and Steve above, know what they're talking about. I won't repeat what they said.

What I want to ask is why someone would want to go to an airline with only 280TT? Guys, there is SO much to see out there in the world of aviation. There is so much to do, and so much to experience. What's the rush? Enjoy the ride. As good as this guy may be, I believe he's missing out on a lot of stuff by going straight to an airline so soon. I don't know him, never been to UND or a school like it, but it doesn't matter. This applies to anyone. If you're young, just starting out, go enjoy aviation before you get strapped to a uniform, a paycheck, and a schedule.

TonyC · November 30th, 2006, 15:24

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Originally Posted by SteveC

The reality is that there is one more piece to the puzzle - experience.

... learning the vagaries of your aircraft and what parameters are most important to follow and which ones are less lethal;

... like high altitude characteristics?

[rhetorical question -- I'm not soliciting actual responses]

.

NJA_Capt · November 30th, 2006, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChinookDriver

I'll say this... the experts on this site, the guys who really care about aviation, like Doug and Steve above, know what they're talking about. I won't repeat what they said.

What I want to ask is why someone would want to go to an airline with only 280TT? Guys, there is SO much to see out there in the world of aviation. There is so much to do, and so much to experience. What's the rush? Enjoy the ride. As good as this guy may be, I believe he's missing out on a lot of stuff by going straight to an airline so soon. I don't know him, never been to UND or a school like it, but it doesn't matter. This applies to anyone. If you're young, just starting out, go enjoy aviation before you get strapped to a uniform, a paycheck, and a schedule.

Very wise viewpoint

saxman66 · December 2nd, 2006, 22:36

I left UND at 280 hours. But I sure would be interested in seeing who got hired. I probably had 102 with alota them. I think I'm going to stick it out and go to a better regional than Pinnacle though.

Maximillian_Jenius · December 4th, 2006, 05:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainChris87

I say congratulations to the guy, hes an example of it can be done and we can be there someday.

November 30th, 2006, 03:45	#27
Foxcow Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,121	Re: pinnacle hiring Does this guy have any instruction given under his belt? __________________ Trans Sates Airlines Downgraded...

November 30th, 2006, 10:21	#30
SteveC Ameliorator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,871	Re: pinnacle hiring Maybe this subject gets a little old at times, but I don't think that the new guys understand when we say that there is more to flying jets than being a good pilot or a smart guy or passing checkrides with flying colors. The reality is that there is one more piece to the puzzle - experience. People get experience by: flying in the system; seeing and dealing with all kinds of weather; dealing with other people, both in and out of the cockpit; handling equipment malfunctions; dealing with turbulence and icing and thunderstorms; making hundreds of decisions about what the weather is doing, what it might do, and how to respond to it; learning how the ATC system works in the real world day-to-day operations; learning the vagaries of your aircraft and what parameters are most important to follow and which ones are less lethal; and literally thousands of other things that you learn every time you fly, one day, one flight at a time. There is nothing that will make up for experience. A 280 hour pilot can not and does not have enough time in the system with real world flight experience, to truly be an asset in a jet cockpit. I don't care if he has Bob Hoover-like stick skills, he doesn't belong there. __________________ . If life gives you lemons, throw 'em into a quart of vodka. ~Red Green

November 30th, 2006, 10:40	#31
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 42,144 Blog Entries: 1	Re: pinnacle hiring As Jtrain would say, "word". __________________ Doug Taylor iPhone Flickr Map

November 30th, 2006, 13:50	#33
CaptainChris87 Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: O.C. Posts: 1,784	Re: pinnacle hiring I say congratulations to the guy, hes an example of it can be done and we can be there someday. __________________ -CSUF School of Business and Economics Steven G. Mihaylo Hall.

November 30th, 2006, 15:17	#35
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 6,111 Blog Entries: 7	Re: pinnacle hiring I'll say this... the experts on this site, the guys who really care about aviation, like Doug and Steve above, know what they're talking about. I won't repeat what they said. What I want to ask is why someone would want to go to an airline with only 280TT? Guys, there is SO much to see out there in the world of aviation. There is so much to do, and so much to experience. What's the rush? Enjoy the ride. As good as this guy may be, I believe he's missing out on a lot of stuff by going straight to an airline so soon. I don't know him, never been to UND or a school like it, but it doesn't matter. This applies to anyone. If you're young, just starting out, go enjoy aviation before you get strapped to a uniform, a paycheck, and a schedule. __________________

December 2nd, 2006, 22:36	#38
saxman66 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: JFK Posts: 245	Re: pinnacle hiring I left UND at 280 hours. But I sure would be interested in seeing who got hired. I probably had 102 with alota them. I think I'm going to stick it out and go to a better regional than Pinnacle though. __________________ My travel blogs

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