cost????

[Adhil]

guys to major in commercial aviation, doesn't it cost like $100,000, with tuition, room and all the stuff.

[Farva]

Yeah it does cost that much but oh well you get to fly good equipment and have a college degree.

[TXaviator]

estimated costs are published on und/aero's website.

if you cannot find that information, perhaps you are not really college material?

[Andrew_VT]

Yeah it does cost that much but oh well you get to fly good equipment and have a college degree.

If you look at Farva's profile you can assume he is from UND, in their aviation program and probably spending $100,000. Don't do it! I'm sure UND is a great school but why would you major in aviation when the degree isnt going to help you get a job, the major should be in a backup career in case you fail a medical or prematurely pop out a kid. Plus, wasting money isn't flattering. I guess it depends on this question... When you see a teenage kid driving a newer mercedes or BMW to high school or college do you think to yourself "wow I wish i could be him, he must be cool" or do you think "wow, what a retard, way to spend mommy and daddies money, yeah he looks like a winner"

If you think the latter then there is still hope, search around these forums there is tons of good knowledge to be had.

-Uhh, just noticed this is in the UND forum, this could get ugly... oops

[JaceTheAce]

It's only about the same cost if you get your general ed done in California where it's $11 per credit, then finish the last two years at UND. If not, you'll waste your money buy going to UND for 4 years doing a Commercial Aviation degree.

I went to UND ONLY because I like the Business degree option while earning my certificates. The cost of flight training at UND is very comparable to your local FBO. What is the Warrior? $88/wet? Pretty cheap for a brand new Warrior with dual 430's.

But, if you can find a flying club that has a 152 for around $50 wet (not too difficult to find in more smaller-urban areas) then I'd go that route. Much cheaper and usually flight instructors in those go for $25-35 an hour.

[Farva]

I guess some people dont understand a college degree is a college degree but even so its still formal training and a bachelors of science. I dont spend my time sitting in a plane all day. I learn bussiness and economics just like everybody else. It would be like saying a guy who has a chemistry degree who is teaching high school history. Is his college degree junk because he is not in the field of chemisrty. I dont think so. Also for your info I did have kids prematurely. I had twin daughters while here at UND and well I am still flying adn cant wait to start my career as a pilot. So why dont you get a life and stop bitching.

-Farva

P.S. I drive a 2002 Ford Ranger....So I am not some retard,plus Beamers suck in snow

[airplanerik]

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT

If you look at Farva's profile you can assume he is from UND, in their aviation program and probably spending $100,000. Don't do it! I'm sure UND is a great school but why would you major in aviation when the degree isnt going to help you get a job...

Who says you have to major in aviation while at UND? You can fly, and get a major in whatever you want.

[AngelFuree]

I think people forget the reason UND becomes expensive is because most of us here in these forums, are out of state students, and that's where the deal is at. I think UND is very affordable as a state university if you're from here. The other good thing is that you can get in-state tuition after being here for a year...It's not because flight training is expensive...I'd really say it's not, considering the rentals for the well-maintained good looking airplanes. The bulk of the cost comes from out-of-state tuition and that's pretty much it....'cause you're gonna end up spending a lot of money on flying anyway if you decide to go outside UND.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I think people forget the reason UND becomes expensive is because most of us here in these forums, are out of state students, and that's where the deal is at. I think UND is very affordable as a state university if you're from here. The other good thing is that you can get in-state tuition after being here for a year...It's not because flight training is expensive...I'd really say it's not, considering the rentals for the well-maintained good looking airplanes. The bulk of the cost comes from out-of-state tuition and that's pretty much it....'cause you're gonna end up spending a lot of money on flying anyway if you decide to go outside UND.

Exactly. I went from spending 18,000 a year on tuition, room and board freshman year. The next year was 8,000 for the year. Now that I'm in an apartment, that comes to about 7,000 for the year. VERY cheap. It would cost me a hell of a lot more to go to college instate back home and get flight training at an FBO. I think its worth the extra, what, like a dollar per hour flying nice airplanes.

You can't really rope UND in with the stereotype on here that flight schools are more expensive than a traditional college/FBO option. Because it really isn't. UND is rediculously cheap once you get in-state tuition.

[JaceTheAce]

Tuition costs are also almost as cheap as in-state tution if you come from the several states that have the agreement for cheap tuition...whatever that term is called. So I ended up not paying hardly anything for tuition compared to most other state schools. After 1 year I was able to convert myself from a Californian to a North Dakotan (yeehaa! now I'm now officially from a Norwegian sugar beet farmer family and drive a burnt sienna Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with that new True Coat paint sealant) by becoming a resident.

I still had my car registered in CA... and one of the questions on there was where your car was registered. I obviously declined that let them know that I even owned a car ...don't let the gov't know what they don't need to know.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by Farva

P.S. I drive a 2002 Ford Ranger....So I am not some retard,plus Beamers suck in snow

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

hey bud you totally nullified any point you made which may have been previously valid.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

hey bud you totally nullified any point you made which may have been previously valid.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by Farva

P.S. I drive a 2002 Ford Ranger....So I am not some retard,plus Beamers suck in snow

Beamers are motorcycles. Bimmers are cars. It's alright though. I see the biggest car enthusiasts make this mistake all the time, so you're forgiven.

[Farva]

Thank You for the correction.. I have not had much sleep lately since I have been working overnights at rydell to fix people's vehicles so I am a little out of it. So I see the point you guys made and well the point is the Andrew VT made a stupid comment and well he mentioned a situation I am in and well I am doing fine and not in some financial problem. Thats about it. I am going to sleep.

-Farva

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Beamers are motorcycles. Bimmers are cars. It's alright though. I see the biggest car enthusiasts make this mistake all the time, so you're forgiven.

Wow, finally someone else who knows the distinction! I wasn't going to mention it... being the big smart ass that I already am on this board haha.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Wow, finally someone else who knows the distinction! I wasn't going to mention it... being the big smart ass that I already am on this board haha.

Haha, I only knew that it's a "bimmer" because...well....Tugrul...yeah you know...

[undsioux1]

Most people forget the simple fact that by training at a part 61 flight school, you need 50 hours PIC just to hold an instrument, and 250 TT to even apply for a commercial. I know people here who have gotton both for well under 200 hours TT. Even if UND is a few bucks more expensive than the mom and pop flight school, you are still saving lots of $$ in a 141 enviornment. Now chances are you could find a non-university 141 school and spend the same amount as you do here, but you are not getting a degree out of it. Plus at UND you can even minor in Avit, get all the important classes done, get a major in something else, and start flight instructing (dunno if CFI,I is on the minor list, but you could certainly sign up for them)

Just my .02

[Andrew_VT]

Farva, my post was trying to help, sure i can be an ass but i wasent trying to in this case. The "pop out a kid" comment was just unfortunate, I also said the word "retard" in my post, you coulda had a "special" little brother or something for all i knew. Does that mean everything i say is going to be censored and sterile, nope, i like being told I'm an ass at least once a week. I thought you were actually contemplating spending $100,000. Shoulda read into it more, with in state tuition and 88/hr warriors thats sounds like it answered your question. I'll also restate that i think majoring in aviation is stupid. If your wondering about me, I've now got 1100hours, goto a cheap state college for a BS business admin, and earned my CFI sophomore year of college at one of the cheapest FBOs i could find. Oh and i drive a 96' Honda accord with 170,000miles...and I'm taking that baby to 250,000, or it'll die trying.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by undsioux1

Most people forget the simple fact that by training at a part 61 flight school, you need 50 hours PIC just to hold an instrument, and 250 TT to even apply for a commercial. I know people here who have gotton both for well under 200 hours TT. Even if UND is a few bucks more expensive than the mom and pop flight school, you are still saving lots of $$ in a 141 enviornment. Now chances are you could find a non-university 141 school and spend the same amount as you do here, but you are not getting a degree out of it. Plus at UND you can even minor in Avit, get all the important classes done, get a major in something else, and start flight instructing (dunno if CFI,I is on the minor list, but you could certainly sign up for them)

Just my .02

I'd highly recommend either earning a Business degree in Aviation Management or minoring in professional flight and majoring in something completely non-aviation that you really like and can use for a descent paying job IF you happen to lose your medical or get furloughed.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT

Oh and i drive a 96' Honda accord with 170,000miles...and I'm taking that baby to 250,000, or it'll die trying.

Trust me, if you take care of it it'll go to 300,000. I sold my 1983 Honda Accord two years ago, as I have mentioned numerous times because I'm still amazed it lasted that long, with 286,000 miles on the clock. The air-conditioning still worked!!! I'd drive it to Tijuana 15 minutes south to get it charged because it used R-12 freon... banned by stupid liberals sorry if I offended a liberal. $300 in the US versus $25 in Mexico... plus it's fun to drive in Mexico.

I have a Civic and even though it has 80,000, I plan on keeping it until 300,000 ...and that's on a high compression 100-HP-per-liter engine...lets see if it gets that far, knock on wood.

[Adhil]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Exactly. I went from spending 18,000 a year on tuition, room and board freshman year. The next year was 8,000 for the year.

how did you end up paying 8000 a year????

[UAL747400]

By becoming a ND resident and paying in-state tuition. Full time tuition is approx 2900 per semester. Add on housing/apartment living and it works out to about 7-8000 for the year.

[Bignellyxx]

Originally Posted by Farva

I guess some people dont understand a college degree is a college degree but even so its still formal training and a bachelors of science. I dont spend my time sitting in a plane all day. I learn bussiness and economics just like everybody else. It would be like saying a guy who has a chemistry degree who is teaching high school history. Is his college degree junk because he is not in the field of chemisrty. I dont think so. Also for your info I did have kids prematurely. I had twin daughters while here at UND and well I am still flying adn cant wait to start my career as a pilot. So why dont you get a life and stop bitching.

-Farva

P.S. I drive a 2002 Ford Ranger....So I am not some retard,plus Beamers suck in snow

I actually enjoy your post... to many people i disagree with you. Many say Don't get a degree in Aviation...You are dumb. Do you actually understand how college works. You need a degree that's it. Unless you are a doctor, a lawyer or an engineer it does not matter what you get a degree in as long as you have a degree. If you have a degree in underwater basket weaving it will get you the same job as a commercial aviation degree if you are a competant person. I chose to take the aviation management degree. That's my choice...will it benefit me in the long run.. it might not... if it doesn't oh well. If you want to make money get one of the degree's i listed above. If you think UND is a waste of time it is because you wasted your own time here and the rest of the campus didn't accept your pompous ass. People stop thinking you are special because you are from somewhere other than North Dakota. Drop the fact that your parents can afford to live in the wealthy suburbs of Minneapolis, Seattle or Denver. You have to accept the fact that if you pursue this degree you will live in butt hole places like Cleveland, Amarillo, or Fresno. Just deal with it and stop being such a pansy.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by Bignellyxx

I actually enjoy your post... to many people i disagree with you. Many say Don't get a degree in Aviation...You are dumb. Do you actually understand how college works. You need a degree that's it. Unless you are a doctor, a lawyer or an engineer it does not matter what you get a degree in as long as you have a degree. If you have a degree in underwater basket weaving it will get you the same job as a commercial aviation degree if you are a competant person. I chose to take the aviation management degree. That's my choice...will it benefit me in the long run.. it might not... if it doesn't oh well. If you want to make money get one of the degree's i listed above. If you think UND is a waste of time it is because you wasted your own time here and the rest of the campus didn't accept your pompous ass. People stop thinking you are special because you are from somewhere other than North Dakota. Drop the fact that your parents can afford to live in the wealthy suburbs of Minneapolis, Seattle or Denver. You have to accept the fact that if you pursue this degree you will live in butt hole places like Cleveland, Amarillo, or Fresno. Just deal with it and stop being such a pansy.

ah damnit, why'd you have to screw up the good first half of your post...I agree with your first half until you got to the bottom....didn't realize who it was either...don't know why you're an out-of-stater hater.

But I do agree with what you say regarding degrees. See the deal is that whenever you hear that "don't get an aviation degree," those who really know what they're talking about (and not just repeating the same #### everyone says, because OMG I know that some people in aviation just repeat things without even knowing what they're saying or even having their own opinion) say it because there are other professions out there which might require a degree in that field, whereas our profession just requires you to have the box checked saying you have a four year degree.
For many, however, I think it's hard to find another major that you can be highly interested in. It can be hard to major in something that you don't like. There's no reason I'm gonna major in nursing when I have absolutely no interest in doing so...

Alright, I don't know what I wrote...I'm tired...

[Bignellyxx]

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

Alright, I don't know what I wrote...I'm tired...

Yeah i just found what i wrote...I was drunk..Not too badly worded...People take note my previous post it is what an acceptable drunk rant looks like