Blew tire on landing, SOF chewed us out...

[the_dmn8tr]

If anyone was out flying at yesterday around 1445 and wondered why 17R was closed, here is the story:

I was doing my 12a for 102 in preperation for my solo later that afternoon, and we were flying a closed pattern to get the landings in. We took off on 17R, went around the pattern once, and came in for our first landing. Since the warrior floats like a boat, we had a nice soft touchdown on 17R and nothing seemed to go wrong, neither my instructor nor I were on the breaks, yet it felt like we were, the left wing dipped and we stopped on center line while tower told traffic behind to line up and hold. We inform tower that we have a possible tower failure and they seemed in disbelief since they had 4 in line for takeoff and another in the pattern. We asked if he wanted us to contact the SOF and MX, but he says, negative, we are on the phone already! We shutdown, wait for MX, they come out, realize they need a tire because it is the left main, and leave again, we wait another 15 minutes, they get back, replace the tire, and after a total of 40 minutes we get off the runway and get back to dispatch, only so dispatch can tear my instructor a new one!

Stupid retread tires, no bald spots in preflight, it just gave way.

[JaceTheAce]

And since that particular SOF was working that time, I wouldn't be surprised that he chewed you out. That guy is the rudest, meanest, biggest egotistical ######### SOF I've ever met. You guys can probably guess his name.

Today I kindly asked for practice area Charlie to practice turf landings in the Arrow because Crookston had a grass runway that favoured today's wind direction. There was nobody in Charlie at the time anyway (Sunday) and if you fly in the early morning SOF's usually let you get the closer practice areas. He shouted at me that I should read my Policies and Procedures more thoroughly because per that SP&P, Arrows aren't allowed at all in Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie. I ended up going to Park River to use that turf strip - had a direct 14 knot crosswind with whatever additional gust factor over there.

Remember, UND is here to serve you, not them. It is a for-profit business and without us, they would not be profitable. Customer Service is still required since I'm shelling out a #### load of my own money for the plastic card I get to carry in my wallet.

[Farva]

Hey man that kinda of stuff happens alot, #### happens and Dispatch finds somebody to blame in order to make them feel better. I wouldnt blow smoke over it because I was flying yesterday at 1500 and it wasnt the buzz at dispatch. Take it easy and just focus on your flying.

-Jason

[Dugie8]

Sounds like real piece of work working the desk, wish I could still login into AIMS and mess with the practice area assignments!

Jace, PM me this dudes name, I think I may already know whom it may be, but for giggles, enlighten me!

[TXaviator]

they were nice enough to offer me another plane when i got one with a DG spinning like a pinwheel the other evening. (i declined since i had a rough day already, didnt need to die in a plane crash too)

however im sure the guys who turned in the plane IMMEDIATELY BEFORE ME (quickturn) said "no discrepancies" and never heard any grief from it

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(yes i know this post may not make sense, im tired and had a few adult beverages)

[eglplt]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Sounds like real piece of work working the desk, wish I could still login into AIMS and mess with the practice area assignments!

Jace, PM me this dudes name, I think I may already know whom it may be, but for giggles, enlighten me!

Get on it Dugie, defender of all that is good! Seriously, no reason at all for dispatch to say one single word over the deal. Lord knows that every now and then you get an overzealous dispatcher who is going to keep it all together by god.

[UAL747400]

Wow that kinda sucks. Sucks even more that the SOF was a dick to you guys. This is my third year and I haven't had a problem or bad attitude from an SOF yet. I guess I'm lucky. I've only had one incident here though and that was a strut just totally letting go while taxing. My instructor and I thought it was real odd how harsh the bumps were suddenly getting so we got out and checked. No lecture from anyone though. Sounds like the SOF you had to deal with was a real ###### bag.

[the_dmn8tr]

He was a d-bag, thankfully Chris Kehr was the SOF for my completed solo today. As far as the SOFs go, he is one of the nicer ones.

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by the_dmn8tr

He was a d-bag, thankfully Chris Kehr was the SOF for my completed solo today. As far as the SOFs go, he is one of the nicer ones.

Who was the SOF at the time? Just say the first letter of his four letter IDENT if you don't want to say his whole name.

I'm not defending the SOF, but EVERY student I've ever had rides the brakes on taxi and clamps on them after landing. No need for this people...

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by stuckingfk

I'm not defending the SOF, but EVERY student I've ever had rides the brakes on taxi and clamps on them after landing. No need for this people...

you know, i was thinking about this today in my av safety class as we were reviewing types of accidents common at UND, and the big one was loss of directional control (typically on rollout)....

i myself have thought sometimes that my instructor was pushing me to get the plane stopped way sooner than *really* neccessary, and wondered why there is such a push to have you get it stopped super short, every time (excluding obviously short field landings)

would possibly teaching students to not jump on the brakes right away and instead first make sure you are under control and pointing at the right end of the runway, mitigate some of these problems?

i know i myself have been guilty of this, touching down then immediately stomping the brakes, then thinking wait...i still have 3000 feet of runway, wtf?

food for thought maybe?

[CRJDriver]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

And since that particular SOF was working that time, I wouldn't be surprised that he chewed you out. That guy is the rudest, meanest, biggest egotistical ######### SOF I've ever met. You guys can probably guess his name.

Careful, you never know who is readig the boards!

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Jace, PM me this dudes name, I think I may already know whom it may be, but for giggles, enlighten me!

I bet it was MYER... haha!

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by UND_Flyer

Careful, you never know who is readig the boards!



I bet it was MYER... haha!

Exactly who I was thinking it was!

[eglplt]

Originally Posted by UND_Flyer

I bet it was MYER... haha!

Uh'oh Duge, looks like someone has cracked your code!

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by eglplt

Uh'oh Duge, looks like someone has cracked your code!

Well, it wouldn't take a brain child to do it, a couple of people on here have my full name. But then again, we are dealing with those that have the aptitude to get into UND....

[TXaviator]

blah blah SOF banter aside, any thoughts on my perception of the instruction regarding braking/rollout techniques?

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

blah blah SOF banter aside, any thoughts on my perception of the instruction regarding braking/rollout techniques?

It is something you are going to battle your whole career as a pilot. Breaks are meant to stop the airplane, if you need em, use em, if you don't, use the runway to roll out. I suspect the trouble you are running into is one of a couple of things, time, the instructor needs to get back for their next lessone, traffic flow, or just plain ole not wanting to "roll out".

I like to use the whole runway, we paid for the whole thing, might as well use it! Then there are the guys who hog on the breaks and make the first turn off, then we have to get into the break engergy chart to make sure we can do a take off in the next hour or so, meanwhile the Engi is out cooking eggs on the break assemblies.

If it is really that much heartburn, have a discussion with your CFI about it. If they are still doing it, go to one of those weekly meetings where everyone comes in and a specific topic is addressed and bring it up. If your life is flashing before your eyes every flight have a romantic dinner with SIEW and discuss the problem.

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

It is something you are going to battle your whole career as a pilot. Breaks are meant to stop the airplane, if you need em, use em, if you don't, use the runway to roll out. I suspect the trouble you are running into is one of a couple of things, time, the instructor needs to get back for their next lessone, traffic flow, or just plain ole not wanting to "roll out".

I usually am pretty easy on the brakes most of the time, but if I'm doing a touch and go or stop and go I usually try to get it stopped as quick as possible simply because it reduces the risk of miscalculating the length of the runway and doing an inpromptu soft field/runway light takeoff. Obviouvsly if there's any question as to whether we'll have enough room I backtaxi, but this reduces the need for that.

Also I think during short field landings you actually should see how quickly you can get the plane stopped, it could save you in an emergency, I remember being rather surprised at how quickly that warrior can stop if need be.

[taildragger173]

Big brother is watching you.

[Bignellyxx]

Who cares what the big bad SOF thinks. He or she probaly wouldn't know what to do with a blown tire. If you take the smart way you will probably end up being the SOF's boss because they will take the UND way out and be a first officer at Horizon for 7 long years. Screw the SOF

[airplanerik]

What's with all these blown tires? When i was in FAR the other night, a disabled warrior (blown tire) shut down 18!

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by airplanerik

What's with all these blown tires? When i was in FAR the other night, a disabled warrior (blown tire) shut down 18!

saturday night in FAR a semi lost a tire and RIM!

[StrangerDejaVu]

The blown tires are probably happening cuz people take these planes up with no tread! I got 357ND yesterday for a stan ride and the left tire had no tread at all on the inside half of the tire- totally bald! Why don't people write this stuff up?

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by StrangerDejaVu

The blown tires are probably happening cuz people take these planes up with no tread! I got 357ND yesterday for a stan ride and the left tire had no tread at all on the inside half of the tire- totally bald! Why don't people write this stuff up?

probably same reason i got one with a DG that spun like a pinwheel, and one with a landing light that was only marginally operative (flickered off when accellerating on touch-and-gos)

laziness, inattentiveness/poor postflight, rush for time, etc etc etc

or one that i have also heard

a fear that the person will somehow get "busted" for "breaking" something...

i dunno, any SOF's or whatever wanna chime in...is anyone gonna get pissed that a tire is bald? or maybe a light or whatnot isnt working quite properly?

[Dugie8]

I am guessing a lot of this has to do with people not wanting to loose their launch. Some of the "squawks" you guys describe are grounding items, or at least something that would take mx a while to fix. So they push it and leave it for the next student since they can't write it up after the flight.

If this is really a rampant problem, talk with your Lead for the course your in, if that doesn't work, Dana loves this stuff.

[saxman66]

I see nothing has changed.....haha jk (sorta)

I remember being 221 and doing my long solo XC. Got off a little late (30 mins) (can't remember why) and since I went to freakin Rapid City (3 hours!!) it was going to be a long day. On the way back stopped in BIS and called the SOF and said I was running late. Got back to GF and I got an SOF in a pissy mood. I shoulda told them I got off late and all, even though I called from BIS. Other than that, great fun flight!

I feel old now since I was in 221 in 2002. Guess not as old as eglplt

I knew it wouldn't be Chris Kehr. He was my roommate. Good guy.