Avit 414

UAL747400 · August 8th, 2006, 10:56

I have this class coming up this fall along with 13 other credits. Which I know isn't recommended, but I think the work load in my other classes isn't going to be all that much for how many credits I'm taking. How hard is avit 414 compared to the other flight courses? Im guessing the ground school is a little more involved, but what about the flight lab?

I remember feeling kind of overwhelmed about all the stuff I was gona have to learn from 222-325, but here I am with that all done and it wasn't bad at all. I'm thinking its gona be the same for this.

CAFFEINE · August 8th, 2006, 11:32

CFI is more involved, you will stay pretty busy.

undsioux1 · August 8th, 2006, 12:02

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Originally Posted by UAL747400

I have this class coming up this fall along with 13 other credits. Which I know isn't recommended, but I think the work load in my other classes isn't going to be all that much for how many credits I'm taking. How hard is avit 414 compared to the other flight courses? Im guessing the ground school is a little more involved, but what about the flight lab?

I remember feeling kind of overwhelmed about all the stuff I was gona have to learn from 222-325, but here I am with that all done and it wasn't bad at all. I'm thinking its gona be the same for this.

I just finished up the course this summer, have never worked harder for something in my life. You will be extreemly busy, but will also learn alot. Unlike previous flight courses, there is lots of homework for the flight lab. For every ground briefing most instructors will make you type a outline on the content you will be covering and expect you to lead a discussion on it. My outlines were around 18 pages each, which shows how much stuff is on each lesson. During the second half of the course you type lessson plans, which arnt as bad as the outlines. Just make sure your outlines are detailed and all u need is to cut and paste them at the end of the lesson plan. Class is alot of work too with the dreaded aerodynamics outline and class portfolio that is due, along with teaching private students and in-class presentations.

Snickersnwa · August 8th, 2006, 18:41

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Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

CFI is more involved, you will stay pretty busy.

It's a lot of work, and it will take up a lot of your time. If you're taking it with Lovelace there's more than just the Aerodynamics outline for you to do... you'll have several others to do (though they aren't as long). Working hard throughout 414 (detailed outlines, lesson plans, etc) will only make your CFI checkride easier

AngelFuree · August 9th, 2006, 01:13

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Originally Posted by undsioux1

My outlines were around 18 pages each, which shows how much stuff is on each lesson.

god, are you kidding me??!?!?! 18 pgs per outline????? I don't think 18 pgs is necessary to cover the material...Sounds like you typed up word for word what the books have...

Tom,
CFI is definitely a ton of work, and depending on how much effort you give it, it can be killer with the amount of credits you said you're taking. I took 414 and 405 this summer, total of 8 credits, and it was just absolutely craaaaaaaazy. I honestly can't recommend you taking 18 credits and CFI, but just keep in mind of what has been posted. Outlines, lesson plans, homework, aerodynamics outline (easily 25+ pgs), and a ton of unexpected work...seriously.

undsioux1 · August 9th, 2006, 01:44

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

god, are you kidding me??!?!?! 18 pgs per outline????? I don't think 18 pgs is necessary to cover the material...Sounds like you typed up word for word what the books have...

Like everyone says the more detailed outline you have the easier the checkride is, guess how easy my checkrides were....

seriously, if you have the time make them as detailed as you can. teaching will be much easier that way, just my opinion

UAL747400 · August 9th, 2006, 12:29

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Originally Posted by AngelFuree

god, are you kidding me??!?!?! 18 pgs per outline????? I don't think 18 pgs is necessary to cover the material...Sounds like you typed up word for word what the books have...

Tom,
CFI is definitely a ton of work, and depending on how much effort you give it, it can be killer with the amount of credits you said you're taking. I took 414 and 405 this summer, total of 8 credits, and it was just absolutely craaaaaaaazy. I honestly can't recommend you taking 18 credits and CFI, but just keep in mind of what has been posted. Outlines, lesson plans, homework, aerodynamics outline (easily 25+ pgs), and a ton of unexpected work...seriously.

Well the only class I think that is going to have a high work load is algebra. Yes, Im in friggen algebra. That's what happens when you let an advisor talk you out of taking math your first semester, and then having the math department lose your placement exam, and then you absolutely bombing the placement exam when you retake it. To me, it makes more sense to get that out of the way since you're fresh out of highschool and probably had finished calc. Anyway, the rest of my schedule consists of german I, intro to weather mod(basket weaving, lol), and airtrans. I'll see how that goes, except for algebra, I dont see the other classes having as high of a work load as what I had spring semester.

Blue Side Up · August 9th, 2006, 22:42

who is teaching your 414 and german class?

UAL747400 · August 9th, 2006, 23:39

I've got Bjerke for 414, I know, a big

there. I'll manage hopefully. That's all I could get with my schedule. Meteorology classes kinda mess everything up. I dont have an instructor announced for german I yet. The class is mostly full, so hopefully they dont leave us all out in the cold.

Blue Side Up · August 9th, 2006, 23:56

yea i got bjerke too. but i have heard good and bad so we will see what happens.

AngelFuree · August 10th, 2006, 00:10

Good god, better Bjerke than Skramstad. Tom, I would never take a class w/ that guy again much less 414. 414 sucked ass w/ him.

CAFFEINE · August 10th, 2006, 00:14

Lovelace is where it's at for AVIT 414.

UAL747400 · August 10th, 2006, 00:22

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Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

Lovelace is where it's at for AVIT 414.

Thats who I was gona try to get, but my schedule wouldn't allow it.

UAL747400 · August 10th, 2006, 00:23

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Originally Posted by Blue Side Up

yea i got bjerke too. but i have heard good and bad so we will see what happens.

Does she just teach that one section? If so, I guess I'll probably see you in class.

undsioux1 · August 10th, 2006, 01:59

I just finished Bjerke's 414 class, shes defidently a good teacher, study hard and you will do fine. big thing is the FOI material, know it COLD. If you get a chance go out and buy the FOI book early and start memorizing the first three chapters. believe me, you will be glad you did. Also start looking at the CFI PTS to see what material is required on the practical. If your prepared for the class it is no problem.

Blue Side Up · August 10th, 2006, 15:22

lovelace filled up the first day of registration so i was sol on that. i think bjerke has only one section.

UAL747400 · August 11th, 2006, 12:19

Yeah, do you have the 12:30-3:15 class? Oh joy, 3 hours of "wayyas" and "awwows". I'm just kidding.

Blue Side Up · August 11th, 2006, 14:48

that sounds about right. i am trying not to think about school right now though.

UAL747400 · August 12th, 2006, 09:56

I hear ya man. This entire school year is going to suck pretty hard core for me as far as classes go.

StrangerDejaVu · August 14th, 2006, 12:20

CFI is really nothing to fear THAT much! I mean, keep in mind that this is what you've been working towards for the past 2-3 years! The class is really what you make of it, regardless of what professor you have. If you enjoy teaching and talking about aviation, then embrace the class. It's a little odd at first being the intructor, but become comfortable with it and confident in what you're doing. YOU'RE the professional now! I thought it was pretty exciting.

None of the CFI instructors are bad. Lovelace assigns a few more projects than the others, but he still seems to be a favorite. Bjerke I hear isn't so bad either- if you had her for the summer course, then it doesn't really matter if you had her or someone else- you would have been overloaded with work regardless of the prof! I, myself, had Scramstad last year and it took me a while to figure out how he does things. One you get him figured out and work within the system, he's really a good guy and a GREAT resource. He's been doing this a long time!

As for the outlines and lesson plans- everyone will have different lengths. Different people need different amounts of information. However, I liked long ones myself. It's great for teaching, great for studying- and just think about when you're REALLY instructing students, how easy it will be to use what you've made to teach from! If you have an outline that's lacking in depth or info, then you're going to have to hit the books again, and that's no fun.

So hang in there- you're going to have to knuckle down and spend most of the semester working on outlines and lesson plans in the evening. It really is a lot of work, but most of it is stuff you already know! You're just organizing it. You've been working hard to reach this point, so make the most of it that you can!

Snickersnwa · August 14th, 2006, 12:28

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Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

Lovelace is where it's at for AVIT 414.

I'd have to say that was my favorite class here at the University

August 8th, 2006, 10:56	#1
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Avit 414 I have this class coming up this fall along with 13 other credits. Which I know isn't recommended, but I think the work load in my other classes isn't going to be all that much for how many credits I'm taking. How hard is avit 414 compared to the other flight courses? Im guessing the ground school is a little more involved, but what about the flight lab? I remember feeling kind of overwhelmed about all the stuff I was gona have to learn from 222-325, but here I am with that all done and it wasn't bad at all. I'm thinking its gona be the same for this. __________________

August 8th, 2006, 11:32	#2
CAFFEINE Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, CA Posts: 663	Re: Avit 414 CFI is more involved, you will stay pretty busy. __________________ Sleep is a poor substitute for coffee. Commercial Pilot ASMEL, IA CFI/CFII/MEI

August 9th, 2006, 22:42	#8
Blue Side Up Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Forks, ND or CO Posts: 170	Re: Avit 414 who is teaching your 414 and german class?

August 9th, 2006, 23:39	#9
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Avit 414 I've got Bjerke for 414, I know, a big there. I'll manage hopefully. That's all I could get with my schedule. Meteorology classes kinda mess everything up. I dont have an instructor announced for german I yet. The class is mostly full, so hopefully they dont leave us all out in the cold. __________________

August 9th, 2006, 23:56	#10
Blue Side Up Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Forks, ND or CO Posts: 170	Re: Avit 414 yea i got bjerke too. but i have heard good and bad so we will see what happens.

August 10th, 2006, 00:10	#11
AngelFuree Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: G-Forks, ND/ NYC Posts: 3,222	Re: Avit 414 Good god, better Bjerke than Skramstad. Tom, I would never take a class w/ that guy again much less 414. 414 sucked ass w/ him.

August 10th, 2006, 00:14	#12
CAFFEINE Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, CA Posts: 663	Re: Avit 414 Lovelace is where it's at for AVIT 414. __________________ Sleep is a poor substitute for coffee. Commercial Pilot ASMEL, IA CFI/CFII/MEI

August 10th, 2006, 01:59	#15
undsioux1 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 91	Re: Avit 414 I just finished Bjerke's 414 class, shes defidently a good teacher, study hard and you will do fine. big thing is the FOI material, know it COLD. If you get a chance go out and buy the FOI book early and start memorizing the first three chapters. believe me, you will be glad you did. Also start looking at the CFI PTS to see what material is required on the practical. If your prepared for the class it is no problem.

August 10th, 2006, 15:22	#16
Blue Side Up Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Forks, ND or CO Posts: 170	Re: Avit 414 lovelace filled up the first day of registration so i was sol on that. i think bjerke has only one section.

August 11th, 2006, 12:19	#17
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Avit 414 Yeah, do you have the 12:30-3:15 class? Oh joy, 3 hours of "wayyas" and "awwows". I'm just kidding. __________________

August 11th, 2006, 14:48	#18
Blue Side Up Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Forks, ND or CO Posts: 170	Re: Avit 414 that sounds about right. i am trying not to think about school right now though.

August 12th, 2006, 09:56	#19
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Avit 414 I hear ya man. This entire school year is going to suck pretty hard core for me as far as classes go. __________________

August 14th, 2006, 12:20	#20
StrangerDejaVu Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KGFK/KSJC Posts: 125	Re: Avit 414 CFI is really nothing to fear THAT much! I mean, keep in mind that this is what you've been working towards for the past 2-3 years! The class is really what you make of it, regardless of what professor you have. If you enjoy teaching and talking about aviation, then embrace the class. It's a little odd at first being the intructor, but become comfortable with it and confident in what you're doing. YOU'RE the professional now! I thought it was pretty exciting. None of the CFI instructors are bad. Lovelace assigns a few more projects than the others, but he still seems to be a favorite. Bjerke I hear isn't so bad either- if you had her for the summer course, then it doesn't really matter if you had her or someone else- you would have been overloaded with work regardless of the prof! I, myself, had Scramstad last year and it took me a while to figure out how he does things. One you get him figured out and work within the system, he's really a good guy and a GREAT resource. He's been doing this a long time! As for the outlines and lesson plans- everyone will have different lengths. Different people need different amounts of information. However, I liked long ones myself. It's great for teaching, great for studying- and just think about when you're REALLY instructing students, how easy it will be to use what you've made to teach from! If you have an outline that's lacking in depth or info, then you're going to have to hit the books again, and that's no fun. So hang in there- you're going to have to knuckle down and spend most of the semester working on outlines and lesson plans in the evening. It really is a lot of work, but most of it is stuff you already know! You're just organizing it. You've been working hard to reach this point, so make the most of it that you can!

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