Why UND doesn't log PIC time - Page 2

eglplt · June 5th, 2006, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Dugie8

There are more reasons to log PIC than just for interviews; insurance is one example, unless they specify part 1 definintions.

This is a good point and a very valid one, but Saxman mentioned he wanted to add the time for a job that required a certain amount of PIC time. Once again I stress, log what ever makes you happy it's your logbook in the end! I just want to make sure this young lad has all pertinent information in order to make his decision, especially since he use to be one of my students.

Dugie8 · June 5th, 2006, 21:33

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Originally Posted by eglplt

This is a good point and a very valid one, but Saxman mentioned he wanted to add the time for a job that required a certain amount of PIC time. Once again I stress, log what ever makes you happy it's your logbook in the end! I just want to make sure this young lad has all pertinent information in order to make his decision, especially since he use to be one of my students.

Oh christ, he's doomed already.....

airplanerik · June 5th, 2006, 23:36

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Originally Posted by eglplt

You are only going to be able to log 221, 222, 323, 414, and 415. How much PIC time are you really going to gain by doing this? I don't think you would even exceed 150 hours at best...

Are you really even considered PIC of the aircraft though in 221 and 222 when you are flying under the hood almost the entire time? Also, in 323, you don't have the complex endorsement for the first half of the course...

saxman66 · June 6th, 2006, 00:43

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Originally Posted by eglplt

This is a good point and a very valid one, but Saxman mentioned he wanted to add the time for a job that required a certain amount of PIC time. Once again I stress, log what ever makes you happy it's your logbook in the end! I just want to make sure this young lad has all pertinent information in order to make his decision, especially since he use to be one of my students.

I am screwed.

Especially since 3 of my instructors have gone to Eagle, and I can't figure out which one it is....My guess is Troy, but it could be Trent.

JaceTheAce · June 6th, 2006, 00:49

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Originally Posted by airplanerik

Are you really even considered PIC of the aircraft though in 221 and 222 when you are flying under the hood almost the entire time? Also, in 323, you don't have the complex endorsement for the first half of the course...

Yes because you are the sole manipulator of the flight controls.

eglplt · June 6th, 2006, 00:53

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Originally Posted by saxman66

I am screwed.

Especially since 3 of my instructors have gone to Eagle, and I can't figure out which one it is....My guess is Troy, but it could be Trent.

Hey Chris,

I will give you a little hint, I'm not at Eagle anymore. If you look close at my avatar, you will see my new ride. Who was the third one to go there? I am glad to hear you got a job at Auburn, I hear they have a good flight school. Any plans to get back to the DFW area anytime soon?

eglplt · June 6th, 2006, 00:57

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Originally Posted by airplanerik

Are you really even considered PIC of the aircraft though in 221 and 222 when you are flying under the hood almost the entire time? Also, in 323, you don't have the complex endorsement for the first half of the course...

You are correct about 323. Until you have the endorsement you can't log it.

roundout · June 6th, 2006, 10:08

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Originally Posted by eglplt

You are correct about 323. Until you have the endorsement you can't log it.

wrong. the arrow is airplane single engine land, just like the warrior, ce-150, ce-172, ce-182, etc etc etc etc.

after i learned the rules, i went back and logged everything except seminole time as PIC from the beginning of 221. i loved the look on the faces of my 414 and 415 instructors when they'd fill out my logbook and then watch me put the numbers in the PIC column as they handed it over. i won't mention any names. fun times.

eglplt · June 6th, 2006, 12:02

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Originally Posted by eglplt

You are correct about 323. Until you have the endorsement you can't log it.

I am incorrect, you can log the time as PIC, you just can't act as PIC until the endorsment. I need to quit this thread, I have been away from instructing way too long!

Screaming_Emu · June 6th, 2006, 17:23

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Then who is the sole manipulator of the flight controls?

Most of the time its me, but not always. Also, manipulating the controls is the easy part of being PIC.

Dj To Rule · June 7th, 2006, 04:43

I had a talk with my instructor about this. She was not supportive of the idea of logging PIC time and implied it is the gray areas of the FARs. I am not sure, but I will try to bring this thread to her attention.

Ian J · June 7th, 2006, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Dj To Rule

I had a talk with my instructor about this. She was not supportive of the idea of logging PIC time and implied it is the gray areas of the FARs. I am not sure, but I will try to bring this thread to her attention.

Probably because that's just how she was raised. If that's what she was told during training that's what she'll support. Others who were told to log the PIC time will swear by that.

Bottom line, it's YOUR logbook, not your instructors. If the FARs say you can log it, do it if you want to.

stuckingfk · June 7th, 2006, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Dj To Rule

I had a talk with my instructor about this. She was not supportive of the idea of logging PIC time and implied it is the gray areas of the FARs. I am not sure, but I will try to bring this thread to her attention.

Who is your instructor?

roundout · June 7th, 2006, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

Most of the time its me, but not always. Also, manipulating the controls is the easy part of being PIC.

you can always deduct .1 or .2 if the instructor is introducing something or takes a lap around the pattern.

Dj To Rule · June 7th, 2006, 13:13

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Originally Posted by stuckingfk

Who is your instructor?

Paula Rauum, Lead flight instructor.

Definitley a great instructor so far.. never went wrong for me with leads but this logbook thing is definitley something I can see debates on.

I'll try to get her valid points in too to see the other end of the view.

Dugie8 · June 7th, 2006, 17:24

Oh for god sakes, Paula is a lead?

JaceTheAce · June 7th, 2006, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Dugie8

Oh for god sakes, Paula is a lead?

Yeah North Dakota moved a step forward in the bigotry timeline (currently they're at about 1963) and decided to allow women to advance in the workforce.

Dugie8 · June 7th, 2006, 17:36

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Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Yeah North Dakota moved a step forward in the bigotry timeline (currently they're at about 1963) and decided to allow women to advance in the workforce.

Nah, they made that step when HALL was given a lead position...

eglplt · June 7th, 2006, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Dugie8

Nah, they made that step when HALL was given a lead position...

They did nothing but take steps backwards when she was given the lead position, talk about clueless! Dugie, did you see that Lasky finally went to Pinnacle in April? He held out for two extra years and then went to the crappiest regional out there! He should have just went to Piedmont when he had the chance.

Dugie8 · June 7th, 2006, 18:07

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Originally Posted by eglplt

They did nothing but take steps backwards when she was given the lead position, talk about clueless! Dugie, did you see that Lasky finally went to Pinnacle in April? He held out for two extra years and then went to the crappiest regional out there! He should have just went to Piedmont when he had the chance.

Well, no one wanted to go to PDT except me and JB, of course we were both going stir crazy those last couple of months. I'm kicking myself for not holding out for Eagle and getting my wife to DFW, I thin I would be in a much better position.

eglplt · June 7th, 2006, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Dugie8

Well, no one wanted to go to PDT except me and JB, of course we were both going stir crazy those last couple of months. I'm kicking myself for not holding out for Eagle and getting my wife to DFW, I thin I would be in a much better position.

Ahh yes, the infamous wife alignment!

I was flying out of Boeing Field last night with an ex-Emery pilot. He spotted one of your eights pushing back in front of us and saw that it use to be an Emery plane. I thought I was going to witness a takedown on the taxiway! This guy apparently really liked the eight. How are things going for you, that is when your car is not giving you problems?

Dugie8 · June 7th, 2006, 18:55

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Originally Posted by eglplt

Ahh yes, the infamous wife alignment!

I was flying out of Boeing Field last night with an ex-Emery pilot. He spotted one of your eights pushing back in front of us and saw that it use to be an Emery plane. I thought I was going to witness a takedown on the taxiway! This guy apparently really liked the eight. How are things going for you, that is when your car is not giving you problems?

You son of a bitch, that was me! I was wondering if that if was you or Jason. 606AL, I think all of our -73s are old Emery birds, that were United birds, that were flying tigers birds. The one time I don't go and get the gourmet coffe from the FBO there and you were probably inside. By the way, did you see the landing? Don't wanna brag, but that was mine, yup I know it was smooooooth.

eglplt · June 7th, 2006, 20:22

I was at Galvin all day long and then just as they were going to send us to the hotel they called and had us fly out to Port Angeles and back. I didn't recognize your voice on the radio, but you kept asking ground for the push while we were literally sitting under your tail. We were waiting for the Abex A300 to move. I apologize, I didn't see the landing.

Dugie8 · June 8th, 2006, 04:07

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Originally Posted by eglplt

I was at Galvin all day long and then just as they were going to send us to the hotel they called and had us fly out to Port Angeles and back. I didn't recognize your voice on the radio, but you kept asking ground for the push while we were literally sitting under your tail. We were waiting for the Abex A300 to move. I apologize, I didn't see the landing.

Maybe that wasn't me then. I was in there Tuesday morning (7 am local or so). Must have been the outbound crew that evening around 1800.

saxman66 · June 8th, 2006, 22:16

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Originally Posted by eglplt

Hey Chris,

I will give you a little hint, I'm not at Eagle anymore. If you look close at my avatar, you will see my new ride. Who was the third one to go there? I am glad to hear you got a job at Auburn, I hear they have a good flight school. Any plans to get back to the DFW area anytime soon?

So you still didn't help me on figuring out who you are. I'm guessing Troy since you have listed the ERJ, and I know Trent was/is on the Saab. Yeah, I just didn't want to hold out for UND so I decided to take this job at Auburn. So far its been good. I'm guessing you're still in DFW flying out of Love.

I guess this thread got off subject. Thats ok, its my thread

Chris

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Dj To Rule Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Grand Forks, USA/Istanbul, Turkey/Girne, North Cyprus Posts: 564	Re: Why UND doesn't log PIC time I had a talk with my instructor about this. She was not supportive of the idea of logging PIC time and implied it is the gray areas of the FARs. I am not sure, but I will try to bring this thread to her attention. __________________

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eglplt Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KDAL Posts: 164	Re: Why UND doesn't log PIC time I was at Galvin all day long and then just as they were going to send us to the hotel they called and had us fly out to Port Angeles and back. I didn't recognize your voice on the radio, but you kept asking ground for the push while we were literally sitting under your tail. We were waiting for the Abex A300 to move. I apologize, I didn't see the landing.

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