Cirrus vs. Piper

[Siberianflyer]

Anybody know the cost difference per hour, from the cirrus to the warrior, can't decide which one to do for 415 this fall.

[CAFFEINE]

The WARG is $94/hr and the SR20 is $130/hr.

[Champcar]

The Cirrus is so much nicer to fly. It is really stable, firm, and heavy, great to fly.

[UAL747400]

I dont know how the SR20 flies compared to the SR22, but the SR22 is EASY as hell to fly. There is seriously no skill required in flying that thing compared to the pipers we have.(operating the avionics however is a little challenging) In my opinion, that makes the airplane a poor choice for training in since maintaining situational awareness is more relaxed(for lack of a better word) because less time and energy is required flying the airplane. This is just my opinion though.

Will I choose to do the sirrus in 415? Most likely, but my thoughts on it still stand.

[airplanerik]

$36/hr more seems like a lot just to fly the Cirrus. I think I would do the WARG. Is there some sort of option where you can do just a couple of flights in the Cirrus?

[CAFFEINE]

Originally Posted by airplanerik

$36/hr more seems like a lot just to fly the Cirrus. I think I would do the WARG. Is there some sort of option where you can do just a couple of flights in the Cirrus?

Also consider the speed increase of the SR20. Makes getting out to other airports to shoot approahes a little less time consuming. They are not letting people mix and match 415 flights in the WARG and SR20, it's one or the other.

I think the SR20 is the way to go. If for nothing else it's a new airplane to learn about. I mean, after all the WARR time you have by the time you get to 415, I welcome a change. I'm flying it this summer, I'll let you guys know what I think of it later this week.

[Snickersnwa]

I'm taking 415 this summer, and though I've only had one flight in the Cirrus I think it's a blast and well worth the extra money to fly it. I agree with Caffeine, and that I welcome the change and opportunity to fly something other than piper.

[meritflyer]

Cirrus has my vote and I love Pipers. I heard its great for instrument approaches.

[taildragger173]

$130 an hour for a Cirrus is about the cheapest rate for a Cirrus you'll ever find. Out at the airport that I flight instruct at, there are Cirruses that rent for over $200/hour.

[JaceTheAce]

The question is: Are you financing your education or are your parents footing the bill?

That is how I look at my flight training cost decisions.

[taildragger173]

In order to go all of the way through UND's flight program, you need to set aside about 50k. That will cover everything from 102 to 480. I've discovered that there is no such thing as saving money in the flight program except by knowing your flows and comming prepared. If you come prepared to every lesson in the Cirrus, the estimated total costs are different by about $300 compared to the warrior. That is a couple of pennies as far as your aviation training is concerned (and about 1 hour of Seminole time with instructor and fuel surcharge).

[TXaviator]

300$ is a couple of pennies?

must be nice to have that kind of change in the couch.

put it this way, im paying my own education out of my own pocket, and the estimate for 102 was $7800. i finished in 6700$. dont tell me $300 is nothing, because thats a month rent to me.

and anyway, cirri are ugly as #####.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

$130 an hour for a Cirrus is about the cheapest rate for a Cirrus you'll ever find. Out at the airport that I flight instruct at, there are Cirruses that rent for over $200/hour.

That absolutely cannot be true. It is well documented with first hand eye witness testimony that UND does nothing more than charge sky rocketing prices for their airplanes while forcing people, at gunpoint and threat of death to first borns no less, to come to UND to learn to fly. (<----- I remembered it this time!!!!)

On a related note, that is crappy they won't let you do some flights in the Cirrus and the rest in the WARR, you do basically the same thing in 325, if you want to fly the Baron?? Go figure, thats why my office didn't have a door while I was at UND.

[CAFFEINE]

The whole mixing aircraft types in 415 was said to be a scheduling issue, or so they told us in ground school. We only have four SR20's (and only three are going to be available here in a couple weeks - its being sent off to do training elsewhere this summer) and they want to make sure that those of us with SR20 launches will be able to get our aircraft with maintenance considerations and all.

I've been reading through the SR20 POH this weekend and it looks like a cool airplane. Definately a welcomed change from the WARR/WARG. And I have to disagree with Jeremy, I think the Cirrus are sharp looking aircraft.

[Dugie8]

WARR and WARG, whats the diff?

[CAFFEINE]

WARR = conventional steam gauge PA28-161
WARG = Avidyne glass panel PA28-161

For 415 they are requiring we fly either the SR20 or WARG. And it is my understanding that the WARG is an option on some 221 flights.

[taildragger173]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

300$ is a couple of pennies?

In the grand scheme of things...it is.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

In the grand scheme of things...it is.

$300 plus student loan interest expense.

Wow, that could cover two months of my car payment. I'd rather have the extra two months of car payment than fancy Cirrus time.

[Bignellyxx]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Wow, that could cover two months of my car payment. I'd rather have the extra two months of car payment than fancy Cirrus time.

That could probably also pay for part of a new exhaust for your car, a spoiler the size of a coffee table, or about 1 ton of rice for fuel. You can't tell me that no one has wasted $300 on something since they have been at school. Some people choose to spend there money on flying a circus and others spend it on a couple lap dances.

[Dugie8]

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You are missing the point, $300 to UND is a sin, punishable by eternal damnation in the fires, or ice fields, of ND. $300 on booze and electronics is cool and rewarded by 13 virgins at the pearly gates.


I still think it is a little crappy to have to do one of the other for all of 415, but I can see the logic. You as a student, have been flying the WARR for 102, 221, 222 and so on and now as a CFII applicant there is a need to get proficiency in the WARG since you may be instructing in it, and the avionics need to be mastered before you go blasting off with a student into IMC.

[Bignellyxx]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Big
You are missing the point, $300 to UND is a sin, punishable by eternal damnation in the fires, or ice fields, of ND. $300 on booze and electronics is cool and rewarded by 13 virgins at the pearly gates.
into IMC.

I understand that $300 spent on other things is much cooler. I have my fingers crossed until the day i can use my drawndown account at Happy Harrys. I think i will be waiting a while but i can dream.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by Bignellyxx

That could probably also pay for part of a new exhaust for your car, a spoiler the size of a coffee table, or about 1 ton of rice for fuel. You can't tell me that no one has wasted $300 on something since they have been at school. Some people choose to spend there money on flying a circus and others spend it on a couple lap dances.

Yes, along with stickers and performance mod decals that add at LEAST 15 HP each to my 1.6 liter rice engine.

Actually, the only mod I've spent money on my car is an air horn... because we all know how whimpy sounding Japanese car horns are.

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Big
You are missing the point, $300 to UND is a sin, punishable by eternal damnation in the fires, or ice fields, of ND. $300 on booze and electronics is cool and rewarded by 13 virgins at the pearly gates.


I still think it is a little crappy to have to do one of the other for all of 415, but I can see the logic. You as a student, have been flying the WARR for 102, 221, 222 and so on and now as a CFII applicant there is a need to get proficiency in the WARG since you may be instructing in it, and the avionics need to be mastered before you go blasting off with a student into IMC.

The students fly the WARG in 414 during the first block. Also, the avionics are both the same in the WARG and SR20.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by stuckingfk

The students fly the WARG in 414 during the first block. Also, the avionics are both the same in the WARG and SR20.

OHHHH, that is even more crappy then. Someone is padding the operating costs and justifying the airplanes.

[taildragger173]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Actually, the only mod I've spent money on my car is an air horn... because we all know how whimpy sounding Japanese car horns are.

Last time I checked, air horns were not legal on non-commercial vehicals in california...but then again were in ND arent we.