PeopleScrewed for the last time.

[TXaviator]

okay so after continually getting SCREWED by UND to the tune of "oh, you owe 800$... we emailed you about it... you cant register until you pay"....i am now very honestly thinking of transferring to OU.

they have a flight program

all my classes will transfer.

my flying ive done here will transfer.

cheaper tuition slightly.

cheaper housing/cost of living in OKC.

closer to Texas.

no bitterly cold winters.

lots of good weather for flying.

.... i see lots of positives in this equation.

thoughts?

www.aviation.ou.edu

[RynoB]

I know a couple of people who went through OU Aviation. They both enjoyed it. Oklahoma State and Southeastern Oklahoma State also have programs. I went to OSU, it wasn't a very good program IMO. Although, I've heard that they have made some good improvements.

[TXaviator]

cool, thanks for the input. any idea how large the program is? (number of students?)

Originally Posted by RynoB

I know a couple of people who went through OU Aviation. They both enjoyed it. Oklahoma State and Southeastern Oklahoma State also have programs. I went to OSU, it wasn't a very good program IMO. Although, I've heard that they have made some good improvements.

[Baronman]

Being closer to TX is a positive? Huh?

KIDDING! I know...you're from TX ;-)

[Okstate Pilot]

Dont be a Sooner, drive an extra 60 miles North and check out Oklahoma State in Stillwater.
http://www.okstate.edu/education/aviation/index.htm

Honestly, I had an instructor from each Ou and OSU and they both had high praise for their programs. One positive I have heard about Ou is you can possibly get some King Air time.

Good Luck

[TXaviator]

yeah the kingair possibility looked nice to me as well. i know Ostate has a program as well, but one of the things im looking to get AWAY from is the small-town vibe.... OKC is at least a reasonably sized town. any other differentiating things you know about ostate/ou?

[TXaviator]

also, do you know what the possibilities for instructing after graduation are? seems like with a more intimate program, the chances of instructing there after graduation would also be enhanced.... thoughts?

[RynoB]

I personally chose O State for the small town atmosphere, because I grew up in a small town. Both OU and OSU have a nice campus and friendly atmosphere. OU has a newer fleet, but every time I fly into Stillwater I see new planes on the OSU flight line. I don't have any numbers, but both flight programs seem to be growing at a nice pace. If you get down this way, give me a shout. I live in the OKC area.

[RynoB]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

also, do you know what the possibilities for instructing after graduation are? seems like with a more intimate program, the chances of instructing there after graduation would also be enhanced.... thoughts?

I didn't instruct at OState, but it seemed like most of those who wanted to instruct got a job there.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

okay so after continually getting SCREWED by UND to the tune of "oh, you owe 800$... we emailed you about it... you cant register until you pay"....i am now very honestly thinking of transferring to OU.

they have a flight program

all my classes will transfer.

my flying ive done here will transfer.

cheaper tuition slightly.

cheaper housing/cost of living in OKC.

closer to Texas.

no bitterly cold winters.

lots of good weather for flying.

.... i see lots of positives in this equation.

thoughts?

www.aviation.ou.edu

Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out...

[JaceTheAce]

Wow, OU looks like a decent program. They have 30 new Warrior's on the fleet. Jeremy, I know it's very difficult to deal with the issues with the Business Office and Financial Aide here at UND. They will never get it together. It's what, year 2006 now?

OU really looks great - larger city and close to New Orleans (well, somewhat close)...and GREAT food (southern BBQ!!!! yum).

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out...

cheers to you too, chump.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

cheers to you too, chump.

Well it is very simple. Pay your bills and you will not have this problem. UND is not a charity for you to ride on. Stafford loans more than pay for the flight costs for any course.

[eglplt]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

okay so after continually getting SCREWED by UND to the tune of "oh, you owe 800$... we emailed you about it... you cant register until you pay"....i am now very honestly thinking of transferring to OU.

I don't know you from Adam, but I can see a theme here! How will you handle the situation when you are "screwed" by OU because of a lack of following their rules? We have all had unpleasant suprises from a college we attended, trust me I attended three plus a technical school. College is expensive, especially if you are an aviation major. I would hope you knew this going into the endeavor! I don't think that running from UND will solve your problems, especially over $800. If you do want to transfer for other valid reasons, and you do list some very valid reasons, then make sure you think it out very, very carefully. Believe it or not, there will be one day soon where you will have to explain why you transferred college half way through a degree program. Just remember and answer the question carefully and concisely. I personally think you are better off finishing where you are at, especially since you have so much invested. Good luck with the decision.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by eglplt

I don't know you from Adam, but I can see a theme here! How will you handle the situation when you are "screwed" by OU because of a lack of following their rules? We have all had unpleasant suprises from a college we attended, trust me I attended three plus a technical school. College is expensive, especially if you are an aviation major. I would hope you knew this going into the endeavor! I don't think that running from UND will solve your problems, especially over $800. If you do want to transfer for other valid reasons, and you do list some very valid reasons, then make sure you think it out very, very carefully. Believe it or not, there will be one day soon where you will have to explain why you transferred college half way through a degree program. Just remember and answer the question carefully and concisely. I personally think you are better off finishing where you are at, especially since you have so much invested. Good luck with the decision.

Oh knock it off! Did you take some of your wifes "woman" pills today, all this touchy feel B.S.! He is in for a shock if OU is a 141 school and only half of his time from UND transfes and ends up paying double what he/she would have paid at UND.

[eglplt]

I personally thought he was nuts when he was listing one of the pro's as being closer to TX! C'mon home basing!

P.S. No wonder those pills I took didn't clear up my congestion!

[TXaviator]

a) stafford loans barely cover my in-state tuition. period. the government does not offer me subsidized loans either.

b) i would gladly pay my bills, IF THE UNIVERSITY WOULD ALERT ME TO THESE DEBTS WHEN THEY ARE INCURRED.

the university today informed me "this charge was incurred in january. you were notified by email, as we do not send paper billing statements anymore."

okay well maybe im out on a limb here, but i think youd be with me when i say that if i am being asked to pay thousands of dollars, i expect to see it in writing in a paper bill. i had no previous idea that they had done away with paper billing. i was told "we notified you by email that we would no longer have paper billing".... okay, if i had no previous reason to look at my junk university email account, how would i otherwise find out this information?????

thats my issue, the real lack of communication with the university, not the dollar value of the charge.

other reasons i am considering moving include but are not limited to

-climate. cold is one thing, life-threatening cold and a majority of weather that is unsuitable for flying is something else.

-cost of living/housing/wages. my research on the internet indicates that oklahoma city is roughly 10% cheaper to live in than grand forks north dakota. i find the wages to costs here in grand forks to be non-conducive to a working student trying to pay their own way.

-lifestyle/setting. i am not a small town person. OKC is a city of 600,000. thats much more to my liking and will greatly enhance my overall quality of life. (subjective, but valid in my opinion)

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Well it is very simple. Pay your bills and you will not have this problem. UND is not a charity for you to ride on. Stafford loans more than pay for the flight costs for any course.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by eglplt

I personally thought he was nuts when he was listing one of the pro's as being closer to TX! C'mon home basing!

P.S. No wonder those pills I took didn't clear up my congestion!

UGH! TX, I have another wonderful weekend in LRD coming up, why do I bid these lines??????

[TXaviator]

hey dugie i appreciate your all knowing wisdom but you dont have the foggiest clue what my situation with flying time is or isnt so how about a glass of shut the f.uck up??

yes OU is a 141 school, and yes my coursework and flying time /ratings here will transfer just fine. i spoke with OU on the phone today. thanks for your concern.

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Oh knock it off! Did you take some of your wifes "woman" pills today, all this touchy feel B.S.! He is in for a shock if OU is a 141 school and only half of his time from UND transfes and ends up paying double what he/she would have paid at UND.

[eglplt]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

UGH! TX, I have another wonderful weekend in LRD coming up, why do I bid these lines??????

Isn't LRD's identifier MLRD, or does that still depend on what W can con the congress into?

[eglplt]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

hey dugie i appreciate your all knowing wisdom but you dont have the foggiest clue what my situation with flying time is or isnt so how about a glass of shut the f.uck up??

yes OU is a 141 school, and yes my coursework and flying time /ratings here will transfer just fine. i spoke with OU on the phone today. thanks for your concern.

I know you don't like hearing something that goes against your current idea, ............but Dugie has a good job, getting paid to fly airplanes. I think that is more than you can say right now! Listen to first-hand experience, even if he does offer it up to you like a true pr!ck.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

a) stafford loans barely cover my in-state tuition. period. the government does not offer me subsidized loans either.

mistake #1, why are you not a ND resident by now?

b) i would gladly pay my bills, IF THE UNIVERSITY WOULD ALERT ME TO THESE DEBTS WHEN THEY ARE INCURRED.

Are you kidding? You don't know that tuition, fees, etc are all charged at the beginning of the semester? Step away from any airplane in your future, PLEASE!

the university today informed me "this charge was incurred in january. you were notified by email, as we do not send paper billing statements anymore."

So you didn't get a bill from known costs (tuition) and what, you thought this year was free? If a credit card bill doesn't show up do you just let it ride and hope for the best?

okay well maybe im out on a limb here, but i think youd be with me when i say that if i am being asked to pay thousands of dollars, i expect to see it in writing in a paper bill. i had no previous idea that they had done away with paper billing. i was told "we notified you by email that we would no longer have paper billing".... okay, if i had no previous reason to look at my junk university email account, how would i otherwise find out this information?????

As stated above, a big bill you know is coming doesn't show up and you don't put forth any effort to find out why. The campus isn't that big and there is this new device called a TELEPHONE!

thats my issue, the real lack of communication with the university, not the dollar value of the charge.

other reasons i am considering moving include but are not limited to

-climate. cold is one thing, life-threatening cold and a majority of weather that is unsuitable for flying is something else.

Yup and tornados are a walk in the park, after all, all you have to do is find some leather straps and a well pipe and you can survive an F5

-cost of living/housing/wages. my research on the internet indicates that oklahoma city is roughly 10% cheaper to live in than grand forks north dakota. i find the wages to costs here in grand forks to be non-conducive to a working student trying to pay their own way.

Dorms are cheap, you chose not to live there, UND didn't force you out. Can't pay the bills, don't have the party.

-lifestyle/setting. i am not a small town person. OKC is a city of 600,000. thats much more to my liking and will greatly enhance my overall quality of life. (subjective, but valid in my opinion)

You knew GFK was small town ND coming here, you are just now coming to the conclusion that you don't like small towns. Forgive me, but your situational awareness and decision making skills are severly lacking.

Man, do you take responsiblity of anything, or is it always someone elses fault?

All of your ratings will transfer, no doubt, that is a FAA rating not a UND rating, BUT your flight time (the 195 or so hours needed to graduate a 141 program with a commercial rating) will only transfer as half, thats a 141 reg. So if you have 100 hours of UND time, only 50 hours will transfer to OU towards your 195. I'm sure OU will tell you that on your first day. See 141.77

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by eglplt

I know you don't like hearing something that goes against your current idea, ............but Dugie has a good job, getting paid to fly airplanes. I think that is more than you can say right now! Listen to first-hand experience, even if he does offer it up to you like a true pr!ck.

HEY, I resemble that remark. Do you tell your little guy nicely to not ride his big wheel down the stairs or do you get all up in his business?

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by eglplt

Isn't LRD's identifier MLRD, or does that still depend on what W can con the congress into?

Well, that all depends on which runway is in use and the distance you go on the missed

[SteveC]

It would be nice if you guys would, at the very least, clean up the language a little.

Remember, no messing the carpet in Doug's living room.