Oh YEAH!

[UAL747400]

Here's to unsatting my stage 70 because of a stage pilot that cant read instruments from the right seat!!!

So I had my stage 70 this morning. The first half was just the cross country stuff. Then we did a diversion, slow flight, power on/off stalls, steep turns, an emergency descent, lazy 8s, 8s on pylons, then some landings. During the recovery of the emergency descent I retracted the gear right at 107.

Apparently my stage check pilot thought I was above it and unsat me on that. So, someone doesnt understand this whole paralax principle I guess. This is so much crap! So, what now, I go up and do a review flight on lowering and retracting the gear? Oh yeah UND, suck me dry!

In hindsight, I should have gone well below that speed. However, I didnt know there were instructors that dont even understand simple visual illusions so I felt it was perfectly alright to actually use the limitation. Whatever. I learned one thing from this. I fly a little better when Im super pissed off.

Dammit! Im gona spend about 300 dollars here because of this!!! Im having the most fun 3 days ever!

[CAFFEINE]

I guarantee the stage check pilot understands parallax error. Chances are you were too fast. Stop being a ###### bag.

[taildragger173]

$300 is a drop in the bucket.

[Holding Short]

Lesson learned. Sometimes, you have to accept responsibility.Check that... all the time.

HS

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

I guarantee the stage check pilot understands parallax error. Chances are you were too fast. Stop being a ###### bag.

Nah man, doesn't mean anyone's a ###### bag. I'm sure the stage pilot does understand parallax error as would any normal person. I've had many normal training flights where in many occasions the instructor sees the needle on a number way off from what I see. Sometimes it's just hard to judge it well from the right seat. In any case, better safe than sorry by going a much lower speed than needed (in this case). Remember, the airspeed indicator is one of the instruments farthest left from the right seat, and is very susceptible to such visual errors. You're flying right seat right now. I'm sure you understand.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

$300 is a drop in the bucket.

No way...$300 is MONEY. Luckily, I've completed every course below the average listed in the costs of training listed by UND by feeling that even $10 is money lost. Costs add up throughout training. I would never say $300 is "a drop in a bucket". You might think I'm a cheapass, but in reality, I'm just careful with such costs as should everyone else be.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

I guarantee the stage check pilot understands parallax error. Chances are you were too fast. Stop being a ###### bag.

Oooooh, name calling on the internet. You are too cool.

Chances are NONE that I was too fast. I know the limitation and Im looking right at the guage for gods sake. Whatever, lesson learned. Next time I think the guy next me might be an idiot, I'll make sure I'm well within a limitation.

I was unsat with a definite factor of doubt, seeing as how Im the only one that ACTUALLY knows how fast we were going. That is what is so stupid about this whole thing.

As far as accepting responsibility for it, I have a pretty big problem with accepting responsibility for something I didnt do wrong. I'll put this behind me eventually, but that's about it.

[Screaming_Emu]

one thing I have noticed about flying the arrow from the right seat in CFI is that on the airspeed indicator there is a little lip that sticks out and makes it so you can't see a little bit as you get towards the 3 o'clock position on the gauge.

That being said, I still dont buy it that you weren't too fast. Most stage pilots dont want to unsat you and they wont unless they're absolutey sure you exceeded PTS. Bitching wont change anything (cept for maybe give you a bad name around the airport as you never know who reads this stuff). All you can do is put your tail between your legs, learn from the situation and get back up there and do it right.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Here's to unsatting my stage 70 because of a stage pilot that cant read instruments from the right seat!!!

So I had my stage 70 this morning. The first half was just the cross country stuff. Then we did a diversion, slow flight, power on/off stalls, steep turns, an emergency descent, lazy 8s, 8s on pylons, then some landings. During the recovery of the emergency descent I retracted the gear right at 107.

Apparently my stage check pilot thought I was above it and unsat me on that. So, someone doesnt understand this whole paralax principle I guess. This is so much crap! So, what now, I go up and do a review flight on lowering and retracting the gear? Oh yeah UND, suck me dry!

In hindsight, I should have gone well below that speed. However, I didnt know there were instructors that dont even understand simple visual illusions so I felt it was perfectly alright to actually use the limitation. Whatever. I learned one thing from this. I fly a little better when Im super pissed off.

Dammit! Im gona spend about 300 dollars here because of this!!! Im having the most fun 3 days ever!

Take a deap breath.... feel better, hope so. If that is all you unsat on, check AIMS and see what exactly was put in the records, talk to the 323 lead and your instructor and you may be able to get by with just doing an oral review of "limitations", and then go back up for your retest. Go in with the exact opposite attitude you've shown here and you will have a good chance of getting the "easy" way out.

Observing limitations is a big deal, is 108 on gear retraction going to hurt the gear, nope, but being conscience of your speed is a big deal. Did you watch the airspeed the whole time the gear was retracting? Do you know for sure you didn't go to 108?

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

That being said, I still dont buy it that you weren't too fast. Most stage pilots dont want to unsat you and they wont unless they're absolutey sure you exceeded PTS. Bitching wont change anything (cept for maybe give you a bad name around the airport as you never know who reads this stuff). All you can do is put your tail between your legs, learn from the situation and get back up there and do it right.

Fair enough, I know what I saw though. Its also his word against mine so Im kinda SOL there aren't I.

Whether or not this was the place to do it, I really just needed to vent a little. In reading my first post I'll admit some of it was a little imature. I still unsat because of someone elses mistake however.

I didnt name any names(or have ever put up my full name for that matter), so if someone wants to get bent out of shape for a post in a public forum where all parties mentioned were annonymous(except for maybe myself) then they really need to relax a little.

[CAFFEINE]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

Oooooh, name calling on the internet. You are too cool.

Oooooh, bitching about something on the internet. You are too cool.

Whatever, lesson learned. Next time I think the guy next me might be an idiot, I'll make sure I'm well within a limitation.

Wow, I bet you're a blast to fly with. I do find it amusing that you assume the stage check pilot, who probably has twice as much time flying from the right seat as you do from the left seat, is an idiot.

I was unsat with a definite factor of doubt, seeing as how Im the only one that ACTUALLY knows how fast we were going. That is what is so stupid about this whole thing.

I'm sure the stage check pilot knew how fast you were going to unsat you. It's not like he's out to get you. Believe it or not, UND is not out to get you dude.

As far as accepting responsibility for it, I have a pretty big problem with accepting responsibility for something I didnt do wrong. I'll put this behind me eventually, but that's about it.

Taking responsibility is exactly what you need to do, not bitching about it on the internet. Tell me, did you announce "below 107, gear up" so that it was totally clear in his mind that you knew and were complying with the limitation? I've been taught by 3 different instructors to announce the limitation before touching the gear handle, especially on a stage check.

EDIT: I see your sig says "CP-ASEL IA." Did you take a FAA ride for you commercial and instrument?

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Take a deap breath.... feel better, hope so. If that is all you unsat on, check AIMS and see what exactly was put in the records, talk to the 323 lead and your instructor and you may be able to get by with just doing an oral review of "limitations", and then go back up for your retest. Go in with the exact opposite attitude you've shown here and you will have a good chance of getting the "easy" way out.

Observing limitations is a big deal, is 108 on gear retraction going to hurt the gear, nope, but being conscience of your speed is a big deal. Did you watch the airspeed the whole time the gear was retracting? Do you know for sure you didn't go to 108?

There is no question at all that I was right at 107 the entire time. I plan on doing exactly what you advised. Thanks though.

[UAL747400]

Originally Posted by CAFFEINE

Oooooh, bitching about something on the internet. You are too cool.

Alright alright, we're even now. We can stop the pissing contest I think.

Wow, I bet you're a blast to fly with. I do find it amusing that you assume the stage check pilot, who probably has twice as much time flying from the right seat as you do from the left seat, is an idiot.

You woudn't find it the least bit annoying that you unsat on something you knew was right? Its not even so much that he unsat me, its that he wouldnt even listen to me when I was trying to discus it with him. That's why he's an idiot. There's no way he could possibly know 100% that I was above. When obviously I was looking right at the airpeed indicator with its 107 reading staring at me right in the face.

I'm sure the stage check pilot knew how fast you were going to unsat you. It's not like he's out to get you. Believe it or not, UND is not out to get you dude.

Basically what I already said above. I wasnt trying to imply that they were, but I know I came across like that.

Taking responsibility is exactly what you need to do, not bitching about it on the internet. Tell me, did you announce "below 107, gear up" so that it was totally clear in his mind that you knew and were complying with the limitation? I've been taught by 3 different instructors to announce the limitation before touching the gear handle, especially on a stage check.

I said "107" at the very least. Sorry, this is something without a question of doubt was correct, so no I wont take this as something I did wrong. I'll accept as it needs to be, nothing more.

EDIT: I see your sig says "CP-ASEL IA." Did you take a FAA ride for you commercial and instrument?

I know we dont actually posses the license after the UND final checks, but we have essentially completed everything except for the hours. I changed it to "CP" assuming I was gona pass today. I guess I should change it back huh.

[Dj To Rule]

Hey UAL understand the bad situation, I'd be pissed if I were in your spot, and see no problem with you sharing this with us, after all shows you respond to stimuli in a healthy manner, I'd be seriously pissed spending all that money on a review too where I could be spending the money somewhere else while you were doing everything under standards, did your gears rip off by the way?

nah I bet you were on 107 on the money, infact its not a digital airspeed indicator either to get you to the 0.5 reading. So if this was due to the parallax error that really blows. I really enjoy doing my stage checks with leads rather than some pissed of instructor that has life issues. Leads have great experience, no cocky attitude, and you feel comfortable with them.

I'm not afraid of mentioning names or speaking in public, as some of these people here would like you to fear. As usual, they always want to make you fear here.

Yeah I'd play the safe side by going 10 below the speed, so it does not give them the chance to screw you up for their mistakes.

There were so many cases for example, where I CLEARLY would do a final check to land, and they would not be paying attention and try to screw me for that.

Once again, I mentioned leads, or certain instructors that I love having stage checks with. They look to see that you grasp thought of the flight, share knowledge (as Reagan would say) rather than rant on little things like landing lights and make it a big issue. They see that you use your head and cognitive thought when you fly rather than your memorized read me back rote knowledge, and the obvious that you are in standards.

Take it easy bro, happens to all of us. here is a bannana

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by Dj To Rule

Hey UAL understand the bad situation, I'd be pissed if I were in your spot, and see no problem with you sharing this with us, after all shows you respond to stimuli in a healthy manner, I'd be seriously pissed spending all that money on a review too where I could be spending the money somewhere else while you were doing everything under standards, did your gears rip off by the way?

nah I bet you were on 107 on the money, infact its not a digital airspeed indicator either to get you to the 0.5 reading. So if this was due to the parallax error that really blows. I really enjoy doing my stage checks with leads rather than some pissed of instructor that has life issues. Leads have great experience, no cocky attitude, and you feel comfortable with them.

I'm not afraid of mentioning names or speaking in public, as some of these people here would like you to fear. As usual, they always want to make you fear here.

Yeah I'd play the safe side by going 10 below the speed, so it does not give them the chance to screw you up for their mistakes.

There were so many cases for example, where I CLEARLY would do a final check to land, and they would not be paying attention and try to screw me for that.

Once again, I mentioned leads, or certain instructors that I love having stage checks with. They look to see that you grasp thought of the flight, share knowledge (as Reagan would say) rather than rant on little things like landing lights and make it a big issue. They see that you use your head and cognitive thought when you fly rather than your memorized read me back rote knowledge, and the obvious that you are in standards.

Take it easy bro, happens to all of us. here is a bannana

Oh man, keep it up tiny, I have something to laugh about now for the next weeks trip!

Reagan and knowledge in the same sentance! That's a good one.