any inside tips for 102?

[TXaviator]

alright, im sure you guys have some. what the REAL insider tips i need to know about 102. i always here blah blah make sure you get it done in time, whatever.....

i honestly dont see any reason for me NOT to be flying at every available opportunity (ive got nothing ****ing else going on up here!)....

what do i need to know?

any common pitfalls?

hell im so bored up here waiting for the spring semester to start that ive already read thru the books and stuff.... *yawn*

[UAL747400]

I came up here with my license already and had to take the happy fun 112 flight course. 102 ground wasnt all that hard, although mostly review for me.

Forgive me, its 2 in the morning and I cant sleep and just feel like posting something useless.

Really though, I only noticed one person in my class really struggling with the course. He seemed pretty lazy though. Like he was going to get a pilots job handed to him on a silver platter or something. Like I said earlier though, 102 was mostly review stuff for me. All I can tell you really is that the spring semester is a lot easier to deal with weather wise. Was last year at least. Not much of that 20 days of no sun and low cloud crap.

[Philip]

Originally Posted by UAL747400

I came up here with my license already and had to take the happy fun 112 flight course. 102 ground wasnt all that hard, although mostly review for me.
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ditto. Boy was the stage an eye opener.
the ground course was easy, but I had schumacher and he's always pretty straightforward.

[TheShocker]

Who are you taking 102 Ground with this spring? Ill be with Tina Anderson

[CAFFEINE]

The ground school for 102 was pretty straight forward, but lots of block exams (I think something like 10 of 'em). So you'll have an exam every 5 class periods or so. They're not too bad, but I think there are also review sessions for 102 block exams which might prove useful. There's 3 stage checks - the first is a joke, the second is the most intense, and the final one is a little easier. Fly often to complete the course on time. Keep in mind you might need a review flight or two somewhere along the way - factor that into your schedule. I'd say staying on template is not good enough in this course, try to stay ahead of template as much as wx allows. Get the written out of the way early if you can, the Gleim is your friend.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by TheShocker

Who are you taking 102 Ground with this spring? Ill be with Tina Anderson

ground with Bridewell

Chris Davis as flight instructor

[taildragger173]

Study Study Study!

There is a lot of new material (everything is new to most people) and it comes fast. If you do a lot of self study you'll do fine. There will be times that you'll feel overwhelmed with the work and when that happens seek out help. Come by the CFI tutoring lab in Odegard Hall, there are many of us there that can help you.

Also, this goes back to studying but prepare for your briefings. Look in the TCO and see what topics you'll be covering and then look up that stuff. It will save you time and money because your instructor wont be spoon feeding you.

As far as preparing for the flight, review the lesson before you go. Chair fly where you sit in a chair in your room and you practice the maneuvers and the set ups. Practice your flows on a cockpit poster, sim or in an airplane. If you go into every lesson with an idea of what you're going to do, you will be fine.

[Dj To Rule]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

Study Study Study!

Eww I hate study.. just get the flying done and don't mess with it for longer than it needs to. I had to retake it since I had billion instructor changes, was the new guy (student pilots are treated like crap ), and lesson learned was don't take crap from anyone..my stomach hurts to think about 102. After 102 its awesome.

[UAL747400]

I think its even worse if you were in 112(the test course). My instructor kept questioning my judgement like I was some 10 hour student pilot. Umm hello, Im a 60 hour private pilot here. You dont need to coach me on what I need to do during the bullcrap solo in the pattern they make you do. You dont need to teach me radio calls, or take them for that matter. You dont need to tell me how much different flying in 30 knot winds will be. Endorsing me to a 5 knot crosswind??????? WTF!!!??

112 was fast and easy as hell, thank god. But all the babying I was really getting got under my nerves. I had that same instructor for 221 and was much better. I think they just look at 102 and the test course differently. I know they're probably just trying to protect their butt.

[JaceTheAce]

I do know that new instructors are briefed on test course pilots and are told to shoot them down right away for thinking "they know everything". Basically it may give students the impression that "UND is the best and your flight instruction was #####ty...and your private pilot license, although official by the FAA, is not valid". That is unfortunately the impression that test course students may get... BUT... the purpose of the test course is also to get you familiar with UND's flying procedures. So, some instructors I would guess would be a bit more hard on test course students.

[UAL747400]

Dont get me wrong, I believe everyone that comes in here with their private should be taking the test course, and it wasnt that he was hard on me that bothered me. I actually prefer that to the extremely laid back style the FBO I got my license from. It was the being led by the hand like a 5 year old that bugged the crap out of me. "Ok Tom, now we have a pretty good 5 knot crosswind today so take off and landing will be a little different."

Know what I mean?

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I do know that new instructors are briefed on test course pilots and are told to shoot them down right away for thinking "they know everything". Basically it may give students the impression that "UND is the best and your flight instruction was #####ty...and your private pilot license, although official by the FAA, is not valid". That is unfortunately the impression that test course students may get... BUT... the purpose of the test course is also to get you familiar with UND's flying procedures. So, some instructors I would guess would be a bit more hard on test course students.

You know wrong. I've never heard that in the 20+ CFI meetings I've been too. The reason for the test course is to make sure everyone flying is on the same page.

Most of the 112's here are great sticks and know how to fly. It's mostly radio procedures in my opinion. I have a student who is a 112 student who has private pilot certificate from a class C airport who still struggles on the radio.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by stuckingfk

You know wrong. I've never heard that in the 20+ CFI meetings I've been too. The reason for the test course is to make sure everyone flying is on the same page.

Most of the 112's here are great sticks and know how to fly. It's mostly radio procedures in my opinion. I have a student who is a 112 student who has private pilot certificate from a class C airport who still struggles on the radio.

So I'm wrong about the UND flying procedures part? I heard that from my 102 instructor.

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

So I'm wrong about the UND flying procedures part? I heard that from my 102 instructor.

You're wrong about the first part. Yes, obviously procedures is one of the many reasons there is a test course, but the other ones you gave were completely retarded.

[roundout]

i'm with lucas. i never heard anything like that, and the first semester we were getting briefed weekly on procedures and safety. maybe it was the week i forgot to go....

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by stuckingfk

You're wrong about the first part. Yes, obviously procedures is one of the many reasons there is a test course, but the other ones you gave were completely retarded.

Then the flight instructor who told me that is incorrect. He actually told me that he was told that it was his job to "shoot down the know-it-alls" who are in the test courses. I guess I know otherwise.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Then the flight instructor who told me that is incorrect. He actually told me that he was told that it was his job to "shoot down the know-it-alls" who are in the test courses. I guess I know otherwise.

sounds like a lone cowboy with a cavalier attitude...