Garmin G1000

CRJDriver · April 6th, 2005, 15:26

Last night we got out first Garmin G1000 trainer at Ryan Hall. While I was at work today I had a chance to check it out and play around with it. Pretty fancy stuff! We are suppose to get out first Warrior with the new G1000 in July. If you're at Ryan Hall sometime, go in the sim lab and check it out.

(This is NOT an actual picture of our trainer)

stuckingfk · April 6th, 2005, 17:04

I did miss our meeting on Tuesday, but I heard that Piper wasn't putting the G1000 in the cockpit for at least a couple years.

Who did you hear this from? And is this trainer where are all the other sims are at?

Screaming_Emu · April 6th, 2005, 23:35

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Who did you hear this from? And is this trainer where are all the other sims are at?

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yeah, its back in the corner right next to one of the multi engine sims. We were playin with it today, pretty neat. I woulnd't think we'd get that 2 years before our first warrior, I dont think it would take THAT long to learn everything.

taildragger173 · April 9th, 2005, 03:56

I heard that we caved and are getting the Avadine System.

stuckingfk · April 9th, 2005, 12:02

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I heard that we caved and are getting the Avadine System.

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We have to be because that is all Piper has, unless Piper is making it specifically for us and we don't know about it.

taildragger173 · April 9th, 2005, 14:29

I know that UND wanted the G1000s, but they couldnt get it approved. They tried to get it approved with a Seminole, but it didnt pass its certification flights. I actually like the Avidine System. Sure the G1000s are more integrated, but there is a lot less of a learning curve with the avidine.

stuckingfk · April 9th, 2005, 14:39

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I know that UND wanted the G1000s, but they couldnt get it approved. They tried to get it approved with a Seminole, but it didnt pass its certification flights. I actually like the Avidine System. Sure the G1000s are more integrated, but there is a lot less of a learning curve with the avidine.

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Approved meaning what? UND couldn't get something approved? It all depends on Piper, We were thinking of buying Diamonds or 172's, but there must have been some people that didn't want that.

I don't think they tried to put the 1000's in the seminole. They had another system they were trying to put in there, but it didn't make monetary sense because the cost assciated with retrofitting used airplanes.

JaceTheAce · April 11th, 2005, 18:24

UND did actually have Katana's (not too long ago). One of the maintenance guys at UND said the reason why they got rid of the Diamond Katana's was because their engines would not run very well in the cold. They had major issues maintaining power in the severe cold.

Also, there was one incident where the propellar literally fell off the aircraft while parked overnight due to the extreme temperature changes throughout the year and also due to their prop's being wood-coated with carbon fiber.

Diamond bought them all back... you can still see them with the "ND" tail numbers around the USA... I think someone close by in Fargo bought one (I've seen a pic of it before).

CaptainChris87 · April 11th, 2005, 20:32

I saw this in the cover of plane or something is this the supersonic aircraft they also mentioned?

SteveC · April 11th, 2005, 21:57

stuckingfk · April 11th, 2005, 22:02

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See what UND will do to you

Chris_Ford · April 12th, 2005, 00:08

Hate to threadjack here, but don't you guys think the glass cockpit for trainers is sorta, unnecessary? I mean, one of the most crucial parts of instrument flying is developing your scan (Per the FAA, it's the first fundamental skill of instrument flying

but doesn't a glass cockpit more or less eliminate the ability to scan? And thus wouldn't it be harder to transition to (most) other outside places where the typical gauges are used?

This is all just my crackpot theory, though, it just seems to me that's the way it would be.

stuckingfk · April 12th, 2005, 00:26

I understand what you're saying, but I believe they feel their losing students because they don't have the glass cockpit.

Make no mistake, most come here to fly professionally. Granted many don't go straight to an airline after instructing, but a lot do. And some of these airlines have glass.

It is a trial basis and the only students that will be flying it this summer are the CFII students, ones that have already learned on traditional gauges.

Screaming_Emu · April 12th, 2005, 02:29

I realy dont think that initial instrument students should be learning to fly using a glass cockpit. I may be wrong but I think it would be a lot easier to go from old school gauges to glass than the other way around. I do however believe that having glass cockpit aircraft isn't a bad idea, I just think it would be better suited if they put them in the seminoles or only used them for CFII so you get a little bit of both worlds.

taildragger173 · April 13th, 2005, 17:40

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I realy dont think that initial instrument students should be learning to fly using a glass cockpit. I may be wrong but I think it would be a lot easier to go from old school gauges to glass than the other way around. I do however believe that having glass cockpit aircraft isn't a bad idea, I just think it would be better suited if they put them in the seminoles or only used them for CFII so you get a little bit of both worlds.

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Thats what i thought too for a long time, however, after next year it is going to be next to impossible to buy a new airplane with out glass. At somepoint, UND is going to have to switch.

Foxcow · April 14th, 2005, 17:58

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I heard that we caved and are getting the Avadine System.

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there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000.

The Seminole that was supposed to get GNS1000 didnt get it installed because they were waiting for the STC to do it. It sat on the ramp for a while. It was supposed to be done September 2004.

taildragger173 · April 18th, 2005, 03:44

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there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000.

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Chris,
Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds?

stuckingfk · April 18th, 2005, 10:16

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there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000.

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Chris,
Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds?

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I heard the glass-cockpit airplanes will only be for the CFII students. They might let a couple 102's train in them to see the difference between that and the ole 6 pack.

Chris_Ford · April 18th, 2005, 19:51

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Chris,
Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds?

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Nothing wrong with using some older airplanes. It'll put some hair on your chest

taildragger173 · April 19th, 2005, 16:59

I agree with that, but UND wont use airplanes more than 5 years old. Our airplanes fly more than most GA airplanes. Some of our 1999 deliveries (which are being phased out) have more hours on them than some Cessnas from the seventies that I've flown. UND might phase out single engine complex training all together and do the commercial training in a multi. You'd build more twin hours, but it would come with a higher cost. Mankato does this I think.

Foxcow · April 19th, 2005, 20:14

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there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000.

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Chris,
Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds?

[/ QUOTE ]

I heard the glass-cockpit airplanes will only be for the CFII students. They might let a couple 102's train in them to see the difference between that and the ole 6 pack.

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not only the CFII students but a selected group of "test" students from other courses will be used. They want to see how people transfer from steam to glass.

Foxcow · April 19th, 2005, 20:17

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Chris,
Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds?

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Nope. I imagine they will get a third aircraft that fits between instruments and multi otherwise, like you said, costs for the students would be astronomical. All I know is that it will have GNS1000.

CAFFEINE · April 20th, 2005, 00:29

So why is UND so in love with the G1000 setup? Is it that much better than the Avidyne? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I dont know much about the different flat panel setups. But you'd think with mostly a Piper fleet we would stick with new flat panel equiped planes from Piper, even if Avidyne. Unless they totally suck or something.

stuckingfk · April 20th, 2005, 02:19

[ QUOTE ]
So why is UND so in love with the G1000 setup? Is it that much better than the Avidyne? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I dont know much about the different flat panel setups. But you'd think with mostly a Piper fleet we would stick with new flat panel equiped planes from Piper, even if Avidyne. Unless they totally suck or something.

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Chris would know more, but from what I heard, we want the 1000's because it is an integrated system.

The Avidyne still uses 2-430's in its setup. I'm know there's more, but that's one of the differences.

taildragger173 · April 20th, 2005, 02:33

[ QUOTE ]
So why is UND so in love with the G1000 setup? Is it that much better than the Avidyne? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I dont know much about the different flat panel setups. But you'd think with mostly a Piper fleet we would stick with new flat panel equiped planes from Piper, even if Avidyne. Unless they totally suck or something.

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Thats what I've been wondering too. If UND goes to GNS 1000s we wont have Pipers anymore.

April 6th, 2005, 15:26	#1
CRJDriver Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: CVG Posts: 1,101	Garmin G1000 Last night we got out first Garmin G1000 trainer at Ryan Hall. While I was at work today I had a chance to check it out and play around with it. Pretty fancy stuff! We are suppose to get out first Warrior with the new G1000 in July. If you're at Ryan Hall sometime, go in the sim lab and check it out. (This is NOT an actual picture of our trainer)

April 6th, 2005, 17:04	#2
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,634	Re: Garmin G1000 I did miss our meeting on Tuesday, but I heard that Piper wasn't putting the G1000 in the cockpit for at least a couple years. Who did you hear this from? And is this trainer where are all the other sims are at?

April 6th, 2005, 23:35	#3
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,403	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] Who did you hear this from? And is this trainer where are all the other sims are at? [/ QUOTE ] yeah, its back in the corner right next to one of the multi engine sims. We were playin with it today, pretty neat. I woulnd't think we'd get that 2 years before our first warrior, I dont think it would take THAT long to learn everything.

April 9th, 2005, 03:56	#4
taildragger173 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Siberia Posts: 433	Re: Garmin G1000 I heard that we caved and are getting the Avadine System.

April 9th, 2005, 12:02	#5
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,634	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] I heard that we caved and are getting the Avadine System. [/ QUOTE ] We have to be because that is all Piper has, unless Piper is making it specifically for us and we don't know about it.

April 9th, 2005, 14:29	#6
taildragger173 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Siberia Posts: 433	Re: Garmin G1000 I know that UND wanted the G1000s, but they couldnt get it approved. They tried to get it approved with a Seminole, but it didnt pass its certification flights. I actually like the Avidine System. Sure the G1000s are more integrated, but there is a lot less of a learning curve with the avidine.

April 9th, 2005, 14:39	#7
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,634	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] I know that UND wanted the G1000s, but they couldnt get it approved. They tried to get it approved with a Seminole, but it didnt pass its certification flights. I actually like the Avidine System. Sure the G1000s are more integrated, but there is a lot less of a learning curve with the avidine. [/ QUOTE ] Approved meaning what? UND couldn't get something approved? It all depends on Piper, We were thinking of buying Diamonds or 172's, but there must have been some people that didn't want that. I don't think they tried to put the 1000's in the seminole. They had another system they were trying to put in there, but it didn't make monetary sense because the cost assciated with retrofitting used airplanes.

April 11th, 2005, 18:24	#8
JaceTheAce Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,624	Re: Garmin G1000 UND did actually have Katana's (not too long ago). One of the maintenance guys at UND said the reason why they got rid of the Diamond Katana's was because their engines would not run very well in the cold. They had major issues maintaining power in the severe cold. Also, there was one incident where the propellar literally fell off the aircraft while parked overnight due to the extreme temperature changes throughout the year and also due to their prop's being wood-coated with carbon fiber. Diamond bought them all back... you can still see them with the "ND" tail numbers around the USA... I think someone close by in Fargo bought one (I've seen a pic of it before).

April 11th, 2005, 20:32	#9
CaptainChris87 Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: O.C. Posts: 1,784	Re: Garmin G1000 I saw this in the cover of plane or something is this the supersonic aircraft they also mentioned?

April 11th, 2005, 21:57	#10
SteveC Ameliorator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,868	Re: Garmin G1000

April 11th, 2005, 22:02	#11
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,634	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] See what UND will do to you

April 12th, 2005, 00:08	#12
Chris_Ford Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,329	Re: Garmin G1000 Hate to threadjack here, but don't you guys think the glass cockpit for trainers is sorta, unnecessary? I mean, one of the most crucial parts of instrument flying is developing your scan (Per the FAA, it's the first fundamental skill of instrument flying but doesn't a glass cockpit more or less eliminate the ability to scan? And thus wouldn't it be harder to transition to (most) other outside places where the typical gauges are used? This is all just my crackpot theory, though, it just seems to me that's the way it would be.

April 12th, 2005, 00:26	#13
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,634	Re: Garmin G1000 I understand what you're saying, but I believe they feel their losing students because they don't have the glass cockpit. Make no mistake, most come here to fly professionally. Granted many don't go straight to an airline after instructing, but a lot do. And some of these airlines have glass. It is a trial basis and the only students that will be flying it this summer are the CFII students, ones that have already learned on traditional gauges.

April 12th, 2005, 02:29	#14
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,403	Re: Garmin G1000 I realy dont think that initial instrument students should be learning to fly using a glass cockpit. I may be wrong but I think it would be a lot easier to go from old school gauges to glass than the other way around. I do however believe that having glass cockpit aircraft isn't a bad idea, I just think it would be better suited if they put them in the seminoles or only used them for CFII so you get a little bit of both worlds.

April 13th, 2005, 17:40	#15
taildragger173 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Siberia Posts: 433	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] I realy dont think that initial instrument students should be learning to fly using a glass cockpit. I may be wrong but I think it would be a lot easier to go from old school gauges to glass than the other way around. I do however believe that having glass cockpit aircraft isn't a bad idea, I just think it would be better suited if they put them in the seminoles or only used them for CFII so you get a little bit of both worlds. [/ QUOTE ] Thats what i thought too for a long time, however, after next year it is going to be next to impossible to buy a new airplane with out glass. At somepoint, UND is going to have to switch.

April 14th, 2005, 17:58	#16
Foxcow Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,121	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] I heard that we caved and are getting the Avadine System. [/ QUOTE ] there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000. The Seminole that was supposed to get GNS1000 didnt get it installed because they were waiting for the STC to do it. It sat on the ramp for a while. It was supposed to be done September 2004.

April 18th, 2005, 03:44	#17
taildragger173 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Siberia Posts: 433	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000. [/ QUOTE ] Chris, Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds?

April 18th, 2005, 10:16	#18
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,634	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000. [/ QUOTE ] Chris, Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds? [/ QUOTE ] I heard the glass-cockpit airplanes will only be for the CFII students. They might let a couple 102's train in them to see the difference between that and the ole 6 pack.

April 18th, 2005, 19:51	#19
Chris_Ford Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,329	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] Chris, Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds? [/ QUOTE ] Nothing wrong with using some older airplanes. It'll put some hair on your chest

April 19th, 2005, 16:59	#20
taildragger173 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Siberia Posts: 433	Re: Garmin G1000 I agree with that, but UND wont use airplanes more than 5 years old. Our airplanes fly more than most GA airplanes. Some of our 1999 deliveries (which are being phased out) have more hours on them than some Cessnas from the seventies that I've flown. UND might phase out single engine complex training all together and do the commercial training in a multi. You'd build more twin hours, but it would come with a higher cost. Mankato does this I think.

April 19th, 2005, 20:14	#21
Foxcow Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,121	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] there are going to be 6 or 7 Avidine Warriors coming this fall. they will be there as a temporary thing just to test how students handle the transfer from steam to glass. In late 2006 and 2007, new aircraft will be be coming in with GNS1000. They dont know if they are going with Cessna or Diamond aircraft yet but they know it will be GNS1000. [/ QUOTE ] Chris, Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds? [/ QUOTE ] I heard the glass-cockpit airplanes will only be for the CFII students. They might let a couple 102's train in them to see the difference between that and the ole 6 pack. [/ QUOTE ] not only the CFII students but a selected group of "test" students from other courses will be used. They want to see how people transfer from steam to glass.

April 19th, 2005, 20:17	#22
Foxcow Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,121	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] Chris, Do you know what UND would be planning on doing the Commercial training in if we went with Cessna or Diamonds? [/ QUOTE ] Nope. I imagine they will get a third aircraft that fits between instruments and multi otherwise, like you said, costs for the students would be astronomical. All I know is that it will have GNS1000.

April 20th, 2005, 00:29	#23
CAFFEINE Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, CA Posts: 664	Re: Garmin G1000 So why is UND so in love with the G1000 setup? Is it that much better than the Avidyne? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I dont know much about the different flat panel setups. But you'd think with mostly a Piper fleet we would stick with new flat panel equiped planes from Piper, even if Avidyne. Unless they totally suck or something.

April 20th, 2005, 02:19	#24
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,634	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] So why is UND so in love with the G1000 setup? Is it that much better than the Avidyne? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I dont know much about the different flat panel setups. But you'd think with mostly a Piper fleet we would stick with new flat panel equiped planes from Piper, even if Avidyne. Unless they totally suck or something. [/ QUOTE ] Chris would know more, but from what I heard, we want the 1000's because it is an integrated system. The Avidyne still uses 2-430's in its setup. I'm know there's more, but that's one of the differences.

April 20th, 2005, 02:33	#25
taildragger173 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Siberia Posts: 433	Re: Garmin G1000 [ QUOTE ] So why is UND so in love with the G1000 setup? Is it that much better than the Avidyne? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I dont know much about the different flat panel setups. But you'd think with mostly a Piper fleet we would stick with new flat panel equiped planes from Piper, even if Avidyne. Unless they totally suck or something. [/ QUOTE ] Thats what I've been wondering too. If UND goes to GNS 1000s we wont have Pipers anymore.

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