Another 172 incident?

flyeagle111 · September 26th, 2009, 19:16

I've been hearing rumors that an Air China student overran the runway yesterday night...Can anyone confirm this??

FlyMan07 · September 26th, 2009, 19:30

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Originally Posted by flyeagle111

I've been hearing rumors that an Air China student overran the runway yesterday night...Can anyone confirm this??

Several rumors are going around. Not much of a big news event, though. I think an Air China incident occurs just about everyday. The Grand Forks ATC guys work very, very hard to make sure those guys don't cause havoc in the Grand Forks traffic pattern. But as for the uncontrolled satellite airports, landing with 15+ knot tailwinds, flying incorrect traffic patterns, cutting off aircraft on short final, etc. are everyday occurrences. It's sad to say, but any accident/incident if very foreseeable.

av8or91 · September 27th, 2009, 15:55

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Originally Posted by flyeagle111

I've been hearing rumors that an Air China student overran the runway yesterday night...Can anyone confirm this??

Cant be true because No solo Air China night flight have been approved since that last accident...unless they changed it but I haven't heard anything.

wrxpilot · September 27th, 2009, 16:51

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Originally Posted by FlyMan07

Several rumors are going around. Not much of a big news event, though. I think an Air China incident occurs just about everyday. The Grand Forks ATC guys work very, very hard to make sure those guys don't cause havoc in the Grand Forks traffic pattern. But as for the uncontrolled satellite airports, landing with 15+ knot tailwinds, flying incorrect traffic patterns, cutting off aircraft on short final, etc. are everyday occurrences. It's sad to say, but any accident/incident if very foreseeable.

Wow, reminds me of the bad old Kemper days at KLNA.

ProudPilot · September 30th, 2009, 08:54

I know someone overran the end. Not sure if it was undergrad or air china. I don't think Tokai was involved with this one. Minor scratches as far as I know. They missed C2, continued to the end, too much speed for the turn. I'll take a wild guess tower asked to "expedite" after missing C2 and they just hurried a bit too much around the turn.

This is all rumor. I saw the trucks, not the aircraft. It was about 10 minutes after sunset, so not night.

rd757 · October 2nd, 2009, 14:33

Remember, a 172 does not corner like a Warrior. You folks transitioning into the 172s keep that in mind while you're taxiing. A few knots too fast and your liable to go tipping over. High wing vs. low wing...

KSCessnaDriver · October 2nd, 2009, 15:42

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Originally Posted by rd757

Remember, a 172 does not corner like a Warrior. You folks transitioning into the 172s keep that in mind while you're taxiing. A few knots too fast and your liable to go tipping over. High wing vs. low wing...

Good God, how fast are you going, if your going to tip a 172 over? Like really, there is no reason to be going that fast, ever, other than on the runway for takeoff/landing.

rd757 · October 2nd, 2009, 16:49

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

Good God, how fast are you going, if your going to tip a 172 over? Like really, there is no reason to be going that fast, ever, other than on the runway for takeoff/landing.

Why are you inferring that I taxi that fast? I was giving some pointers to the crowd who is transitioning their fleet from Warrior's to 172...

KSCessnaDriver · October 2nd, 2009, 17:42

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Originally Posted by rd757

Why are you inferring that I taxi that fast? I was giving some pointers to the crowd who is transitioning their fleet from Warrior's to 172...

No, I'm just asking how fast you have to taxi in a 172, in order to be worried about tipping one over? Nothing person, just amazed that someone would have to be warned about tipping a plane over while taxing.

Roger, Roger · October 2nd, 2009, 21:21

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

No, I'm just asking how fast you have to taxi in a 172, in order to be worried about tipping one over? Nothing person, just amazed that someone would have to be warned about tipping a plane over while taxing.

Yeah, I've never found it to be an issue.

juxtapilot · October 2nd, 2009, 23:32

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Yeah, I've never found it to be an issue.

I think it'll skid before it tips..

av8or91 · October 3rd, 2009, 01:11

One thing I have noticed is that if your taxiing fast and slightly step on a rudder it will gradually veer to one direction getting sharper and sharper thus needing more rudder in the opposite direction to correct. I can see what happened as its very easy to feel rushed to get off the runway albeit it should be done in a prompt manner.

rd757 · October 3rd, 2009, 13:14

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

No, I'm just asking how fast you have to taxi in a 172, in order to be worried about tipping one over? Nothing person, just amazed that someone would have to be warned about tipping a plane over while taxing.

I have no idea, I haven't been gone fast enough to tip one yet. However, I have crossed the boundary where you feel it start to body lean. Much like driving my Jeep down an on-ramp. You'll feel the body start to lean as you pick up speed, pull the turn a little tighter and over you go.

juxtapilot · October 3rd, 2009, 16:08

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Originally Posted by rd757

I have no idea, I haven't been gone fast enough to tip one yet. However, I have crossed the boundary where you feel it start to body lean. Much like driving my Jeep down an on-ramp. You'll feel the body start to lean as you pick up speed, pull the turn a little tighter and over you go.

Except your jeep doesn't have dinky little tires.. The 172 would probably skid before it tips..

juxtapilot · October 3rd, 2009, 16:18

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Originally Posted by ProudPilot

I know someone overran the end. Not sure if it was undergrad or air china. I don't think Tokai was involved with this one. Minor scratches as far as I know. They missed C2, continued to the end, too much speed for the turn. I'll take a wild guess tower asked to "expedite" after missing C2 and they just hurried a bit too much around the turn.

This is all rumor. I saw the trucks, not the aircraft. It was about 10 minutes after sunset, so not night.

Just curious, how many Cessnas do you guys have now?

KSCessnaDriver · October 3rd, 2009, 18:28

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Originally Posted by rd757

I have no idea, I haven't been gone fast enough to tip one yet. However, I have crossed the boundary where you feel it start to body lean. Much like driving my Jeep down an on-ramp. You'll feel the body start to lean as you pick up speed, pull the turn a little tighter and over you go.

Sweet. I played with it today, and was willing to go up to 12 knots in the turn, and felt no tendency to roll. But, your mileage may very. I'd kinda like to know how fast you would have to go to even get it to skid, in any case.

Blip16 · October 6th, 2009, 17:17

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

Sweet. I played with it today, and was willing to go up to 12 knots in the turn, and felt no tendency to roll. But, your mileage may very. I'd kinda like to know how fast you would have to go to even get it to skid, in any case.

trust me the inside wheel gets really light at around 20kts. seen too many students try it, it doesn't skid

Philip · October 6th, 2009, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Blip16

trust me the inside wheel gets really light at around 20kts. seen too many students try it, it doesn't skid

I've skidded 150s, stopped trying after about the second solo flight ever.

Blip16 · October 6th, 2009, 22:24

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Originally Posted by Philip

I've skidded 150s, stopped trying after about the second solo flight ever.

i have seen them skid too, but if you try to take a 90 degree turn off the taxiway at 20kts, the inner wheel gets very light. i would assume at 25+ it would not be in contact with the ground anymore

UND has photos from 20yrs ago when they used to have cessna's that did flip or tip over, so it is possible!

juxtapilot · October 7th, 2009, 01:57

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Originally Posted by Blip16

i have seen them skid too, but if you try to take a 90 degree turn off the taxiway at 20kts, the inner wheel gets very light. i would assume at 25+ it would not be in contact with the ground anymore

UND has photos from 20yrs ago when they used to have cessna's that did flip or tip over, so it is possible!

I'm not sure I follow... What do you mean the inner wheel becomes light?

juxtapilot · October 7th, 2009, 02:00

Oh nevermind... I went through the situation in my head again... Makes sense now.

September 26th, 2009, 19:16	#1
flyeagle111 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 189	Another 172 incident? I've been hearing rumors that an Air China student overran the runway yesterday night...Can anyone confirm this?? __________________ UND '13 B.S. ATC B.A. Economics

September 30th, 2009, 08:54	#5
ProudPilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 443	Re: Another 172 incident? I know someone overran the end. Not sure if it was undergrad or air china. I don't think Tokai was involved with this one. Minor scratches as far as I know. They missed C2, continued to the end, too much speed for the turn. I'll take a wild guess tower asked to "expedite" after missing C2 and they just hurried a bit too much around the turn. This is all rumor. I saw the trucks, not the aircraft. It was about 10 minutes after sunset, so not night. __________________ 7/6/2009 PUBNAT8 11/13/2009 ATSAT St Charles, IL 11/18/2009 ATSAT 85.3

October 2nd, 2009, 14:33	#6
rd757 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Yankee India Papa Posts: 1,044	Re: Another 172 incident? Remember, a 172 does not corner like a Warrior. You folks transitioning into the 172s keep that in mind while you're taxiing. A few knots too fast and your liable to go tipping over. High wing vs. low wing... __________________ *Ryan*

October 3rd, 2009, 01:11	#12
av8or91 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indian Rocks Beach Posts: 560	Re: Another 172 incident? One thing I have noticed is that if your taxiing fast and slightly step on a rudder it will gradually veer to one direction getting sharper and sharper thus needing more rudder in the opposite direction to correct. I can see what happened as its very easy to feel rushed to get off the runway albeit it should be done in a prompt manner. __________________ "Grand Forks tower Sioux 67 ready for takeoff 35L" "Sioux 67 GFK tower taxi into position and hold" "Assume the position Sioux 67"

October 7th, 2009, 02:00	#21
juxtapilot Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PACNW Posts: 1,977	Re: Another 172 incident? Oh nevermind... I went through the situation in my head again... Makes sense now. __________________ Summer is the season when the air pollution is much warmer.

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