UND...

[coa787]

Is not the place to be if you can't put up with the myriad of restrictions and other miscellaneous crap that is associated with flying that makes you want to set yourself on fire. One if the guys on this forum that currently attends UND with me told me that I didn't know what I was missing from flying out of an FBO and not having to deal with the back and forth transmissions 'cause the Chinese guys can't understand anything 'cause they choose not to speak English and improve on it when they're with their friends. Oh, don't forget about all the restrictions like not being able to fly when the weather is fine for flying. If there is a line of rain moving in, *poof* no fly... stuff like that. Slight rambling on, but whatever. Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah bleh and blah.

Don't go to UND. I didn't listen and thought, "Oh, what the hell do you know? I can handle it." Well, I can, but it comes with a mighty price... say $150,000 or so by the time I'm finished if I stay here for four years. Not worth it. I've been thinking about leaving, and I just might do that. Hmm... don't know what else to say right now, it's been a long day, so I'll just leave it at that.

UND = part 141 school = bad. Pay as you go, fly on the side, get a useful degree, something like that. That's all I've got. Don't care what is said, that's the truth.

[ChasenSFO]

I'd really like to take this opportunity to thank our resident emu. A few years ago Joe talked me out of UND, and I'm glad he did. He advised me "Go to school somewhere that doesn't suck and fly on your own time." I'm so glad I did that. Otherwise I'd be in North Dakota right now. Cheers buddy.

[coa787]

Yeah, I'm a stubborn sum'bitch. It'll cost me. Never too late to leave, though....

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by coa787

Is not the place to be if you can't put up with the myriad of restrictions and other miscellaneous crap that is associated with flying that makes you want to set yourself on fire. One if the guys on this forum that currently attends UND with me told me that I didn't know what I was missing from flying out of an FBO and not having to deal with the back and forth transmissions 'cause the Chinese guys can't understand anything 'cause they choose not to speak English and improve on it when they're with their friends. Oh, don't forget about all the restrictions like not being able to fly when the weather is fine for flying. If there is a line of rain moving in, *poof* no fly... stuff like that. Slight rambling on, but whatever. Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah bleh and blah.

Don't go to UND. I didn't listen and thought, "Oh, what the hell do you know? I can handle it." Well, I can, but it comes with a mighty price... say $150,000 or so by the time I'm finished if I stay here for four years. Not worth it. I've been thinking about leaving, and I just might do that. Hmm... don't know what else to say right now, it's been a long day, so I'll just leave it at that.

UND = part 141 school = bad. Pay as you go, fly on the side, get a useful degree, something like that. That's all I've got. Don't care what is said, that's the truth.

Great post man... I think you've hit the nail on the head... If you're not ready for the UND bubble, UND's not the place for you. I can understand your frustration but if you can handle it keep your head up and continue on. If not, get out before you spend WAY too much money on your flying...

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by ChasenSFO

I'd really like to take this opportunity to thank our resident emu. A few years ago Joe talked me out of UND, and I'm glad he did. He advised me "Go to school somewhere that doesn't suck and fly on your own time." I'm so glad I did that. Otherwise I'd be in North Dakota right now. Cheers buddy.

PS, I am jealous. I wish someone would have talked me out of UND... It's my own fault; I was too ignorant.

[coa787]

Heh, I just thought of all the things I've said in the past about how UND would be great and how I would take into consideration of what was said about how bad UND is, but I won't do what people said. I had to be one of the most die-hard, pro-UND guys when I was talking to the anti-UND people. Now, I'm pretty anti-UND, myself. And that's saying something.

I just wish I could've had the chance to talk to someone in person about the negatives of doing the part 141 thing, instead of hearing it from strangers on a public forum.

[av8or91]

Originally Posted by coa787

Oh, don't forget about all the restrictions like not being able to fly when the weather is fine for flying. If there is a line of rain moving in, *poof* no fly...

Why does everyone say this.

KGFK 111427Z 34003KT 10SM SCT008 OVC010 16/14 A2999 RMK AO2

Current Restrictions: IFR Dual Only

If your in 221 now go fly with your instructor in clouds...whos stopping you?

A few days a go they went no fly because of thunderstorms which is expected.

I got in a alot of trouble flying in the clouds this day(insert sarcasm tag here)

[nutz4life]

One day they went no dispatch because of a thunderstorm 40 miles away and it was only 15 miles wide . It would have taken at least an hour and a half before it got within range. I could have done some stop and goes in that time period. BS.

P.s, back when und had the bendix seminoles, I overheard a china kid cancelled the flight on a nice vfr day because it had those avionics on board. It was the only plane available at that moment for his launch. Mostly because it had no moving map and pink line. I cant wait for the day when they are back at home flying 737s or whatever it is, have a complete failure and have to use the eyeball. that will make headlines.

[av8or91]

Originally Posted by nutz4life

One day they went no dispatch because of a thunderstorm 40 miles away and it was only 15 miles wide . It would have taken at least an hour and a half before it got within range. I could have done some stop and goes in that time period. BS.

P.s, back when und had the bendix seminoles, I overheard a china kid cancelled the flight on a nice vfr day because it had those avionics on board. It was the only plane available at that moment for his launch. Mostly because it had no moving map and pink line. I cant wait for the day when they are back at home flying 737s or whatever it is, have a complete failure and have to use the eyeball. that will make headlines.

I hate UND.

Everyone who replies in this thread must write "I hate UND" at the end. Thank you.

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by av8or91

Everyone who replies in this thread must write "I hate UND" at the end. Thank you.

Hurray UND!

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by nutz4life

One day they went no dispatch because of a thunderstorm 40 miles away and it was only 15 miles wide . It would have taken at least an hour and a half before it got within range. I could have done some stop and goes in that time period. BS.

I had a very similar thing happen to me. Except no thunderstorm.. Just rain.

I hate UND.

[av8or91]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Hurray UND!

FAIL

[coa787]

Originally Posted by av8or91

Why does everyone say this.

KGFK 111427Z 34003KT 10SM SCT008 OVC010 16/14 A2999 RMK AO2

Current Restrictions: IFR Dual Only

If your in 221 now go fly with your instructor in clouds...whos stopping you?

Not "who," but "what." It's called ground lessons (part of the TCO, not ground school). See, you can skip flights to do a ground lesson, but not the other way around. My next lesson is a ground briefing, so I cannot do the flight lessons that come after that briefing without doing the briefing, first.

[Blip16]

Originally Posted by coa787

Not "who," but "what." It's called ground lessons (part of the TCO, not ground school). See, you can skip flights to do a ground lesson, but not the other way around. My next lesson is a ground briefing, so I cannot do the flight lessons that come after that briefing without doing the briefing, first.

so brief ahead and stop complaining

[av8or91]

Originally Posted by coa787

Not "who," but "what." It's called ground lessons. See, you can skip flights to do a ground lesson, but not the other way around. My next lesson is a ground briefing, so I cannot fly without doing that, first.

Yes because typically what you do on the ground will then be conducted in the flight lesson so teaching it in the plane is not very effective. For instance explaining how the operational characteristics of the NDB while flying under the hood is not very beneficial to the student. You will get a chance to fly in the clouds if that what your wanting to do. Go review a lesson if you have some extra cash to burn.

I hate UND

[av8or91]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

so brief ahead and stop complaining

I hate UND

I fixed it for you.

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by av8or91

FAIL

I HATE UND

Fixed it for you

Hurray UND

(btw: I'm a riddle grad, no dog in this fight)

[Kestrel452]

Originally Posted by coa787

Heh, I just thought of all the things I've said in the past about how UND would be great and how I would take into consideration of what was said about how bad UND is, but I won't do what people said. I had to be one of the most die-hard, pro-UND guys when I was talking to the anti-UND people. Now, I'm pretty anti-UND, myself. And that's saying something.

I just wish I could've had the chance to talk to someone in person about the negatives of doing the part 141 thing, instead of hearing it from strangers on a public forum.

Come to Purdue! It's a lot closer to your home and it has a great FBO. The airport is right on campus too.

[BIGRIG]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

so brief ahead and stop complaining

Why stop complaining? Its so easy for people to do. If it wasn't for UND they would have to find something else to complain about.

YEAH UND.

[coa787]

Nah, you guys are missing the point. This thread was not started for complaining, it was started to try to sway others who are as stubborn as I am from going to UND. Just trying to get the word out. That's it.

[Kestrel452]

Originally Posted by coa787

Nah, you guys are missing the point. This thread was not started for complaining, it was started to try to sway others who are as stubborn as I am from going to UND. Just trying to get the word out. That's it.

[av8or91]

Originally Posted by coa787

Nah, you guys are missing the point. This thread was not started for complaining, it was started to try to sway others who are as stubborn as I am from going to UND. Just trying to get the word out. That's it.

You need to be more specific because you havent really had valid complaint yet... What exactly is it that you dont like? Be specific.

Ill stop with the I hate UND.

[flyeagle111]

coa787, I think your problem is you party too hard and don't study enough. Seriously you think you can party till 4 am every night and ditch class everyday?

[FlyingOfficer]

Originally Posted by nutz4life

One day they went no dispatch because of a thunderstorm 40 miles away and it was only 15 miles wide . It would have taken at least an hour and a half before it got within range. I could have done some stop and goes in that time period. BS.

That happened 2 or 3 days ago. Of course I was supposed to launch. IFR Dual Only was all I needed to go.

Looking at the screen in dispatch today which said "IFR Dual Only", with scattered clouds, made me laugh.

Oh, and I HATE doing the "clear left, clear right" BS in a C172, not to mention the "to the line/below the line" crap. I'm surprised there's not an "APU........not installed" item on the checklist.

[coa787]

Originally Posted by av8or91

You need to be more specific because you havent really had valid complaint yet... What exactly is it that you dont like? Be specific.

Ill stop with the I hate UND.

What complaint? Have I not said that this wasn't for complaining? Just a few common things that I've heard people talking about that might make you not like flying at UND. Figured I'd just say something about it so people will think twice about going to fly there if they realize that maybe they won't like flying there for some of those reasons. I don't know.

I guess it's kinda pointless to even have this thread because there will be things at every university that people don't like. Even before I went to college, I've been split on whether or not I should go this route... and still am. Had I known some of those things, maybe I would've made what I thought was a better choice.

Being at UND is tolerable for me, but it isn't for others so maybe I could help them change their mind. No point in going there if you know you're gonna absolutely hate it and could not stay there for even another day for the things that I said in my original post, but maybe you didn't already know about those things. Now that you know, it could only help you make a choice that you think will be better for you in the long run.