New Citation Mustang

[av8or91]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N510ND

Could this possibly be it? Anyone know anything about it?

[ASpilot2be]

FAA shows it as being owned by Cessna.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...umbertxt=510ND

[Evan]

It's here in the hangar closest to dispatch in full UND colors.

[av8or91]

Picture for anyone who hasnt seen it yet.

[youngflyer]

Thats pretty sweet!!!!!!

[N519AT]

So if you're at UND, do you get time in it or is it just to fly the big wigs around?

[aloft]

Originally Posted by N519AT

So if you're at UND, do you get time in it or is it just to fly the big wigs around?

Ha! That's no trainer, I guarantee it.

But look for it to be featured prominently (if misleadlingly) in future UND Aerospace ads.

[the_dmn8tr]

Originally Posted by aloft

Ha! That's no trainer, I guarantee it.

But look for it to be featured prominently (if misleadlingly) in future UND Aerospace ads.

It is a trainer, but for international students. aka Air China

[Blip16]

Originally Posted by the_dmn8tr

It is a trainer, but for international students. aka Air China

so they aren't going to do the King Air anymore? (granted it is leased, at least i am pretty sure the King Air is leased)

where did you get that info? i can't imagine a brand new jet being cheaper to operate for the required training for Air China that the King air, especially when the King Air satisfies all the training requirements.

then again i didn't go to any of the PR stuff, so what do i know

[av8or91]

There was a flyer out last year or maybe the year before saying that they will be offering a course to students in one of a few new jet aircraft the university will be recieving. I was told that there will be one citation mustang and 2 D-Jets (Diamond Jets). So I guess we will have to wait and see what they will be doing with those aircraft. I wouldnt mind spending the money to get some time in one of those. I wonder if any UND instructors got the type rating to fly the citation.

[Farva]

Originally Posted by the_dmn8tr

It is a trainer, but for international students. aka Air China

Its not for air china. Air China needs an aircraft at 12,500lbs. The citation mustang does not meet that weight requirement. The jet primary purpose is a executive aircraft for university travel. The instructors "typed" on it are some selected leads and course managers. The aircraft may eventually be offered to students but it will be expensive and really only the rich or the people with SJS will do it. The plane looks sweet though and when it came to town a couple of months ago I really liked how the flight deck was set up.

[the_dmn8tr]

Originally Posted by Farva

Its not for air china. Air China needs an aircraft at 12,500lbs. The citation mustang does not meet that weight requirement. The jet primary purpose is a executive aircraft for university travel. The instructors "typed" on it are some selected leads and course managers. The aircraft may eventually be offered to students but it will be expensive and really only the rich or the people with SJS will do it. The plane looks sweet though and when it came to town a couple of months ago I really liked how the flight deck was set up.

Well that is the last time I listen to my instructor. I knew it was going to be for "executive travel" and that they were going to offer a course for anyone who wanted to burn hundreds, if not a thousand, and hour on the thing.

I also heard it will be used to take up space in a hanger or on the ramp so that tours can see it and make the decision to come to UND. "When can I fly that?" "As soon as you give the school $60,000!"

[Blip16]

you can fly the king air if you want, it goes for 1850.00/hr + instructor

[Stinger]

Heck, I should finish my training from 221 to 325 in the Mustang. Sure it'd probably cost me $300,000; but I got to get to the jets as soon as possible.

There might actually be some students that would want to to go from private all the way through commercial in that.

Quick question: Is it even possible to start out with a private license in a jet?

[av8or91]

Im thinking that extra 4 dollars an hour supposedly for the instructors is really for the operating costs of this. Unless instructors really are getting paid more, I dont know...

[av8or91]

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

you can fly the king air if you want, it goes for 1850.00/hr + instructor

WOW what a rip off. You can charter one for cheaper than that.

[Blip16]

Originally Posted by av8or91

Im thinking that extra 4 dollars an hour supposedly for the instructors is really for the operating costs of this. Unless instructors really are getting paid more, I dont know...

some are some are not. depends on the situations. full time now is 4 students, rather than 6, so that can be upwards of a 6/hr increase. and some people get the bonus, others do not

[Blip16]

Originally Posted by av8or91

WOW what a rip off. You can charter one for cheaper than that.

insurance + AFAIK it is a lease and not UND's

[TXaviator]

i REALLY want to see the dollars and cents justification for buying that aircraft.

maybe we all bought it with the laptop program?

[av8or91]

I was told today that it was going to mainly be used for corporate travel and then maybe it will be used as an "advanced trainer". I wonder how much complaining about flying commercial airlines had to be done before someone decided to get this thing.

[airplanerik]

(Grand Forks, North Dakota): UND Aerospace is pleased to announce the delivery of a Citation Mustang from Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company. The delivery of the Citation Mustang marks another milestone occasion during the 40th Anniversary celebration of the Odegard School. The Citation Mustang will be on display Wednesday, April 2 at 3:30 pm - 4:30 pm in the Center Hangar at the UND Aerospace operated state-of-the-art training complex at the Grand Forks International Airport. This delivery makes the John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences the first collegiate flight program to have a Citation Mustang in its fleet. This entry level Citation jet will be used for executive travel as well as flight training for undergraduate and contract students within the John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences.

Along with the display of the Citation Mustang, there will be a Cessna 150 aircraft. This aircraft is one of the original airplanes used to start the UND aviation program. The Cessna 150 has been completely refurbished to its original specifications upon delivery to UND in 1968.

Were excited to have the Mustang join our fleet of more than 120 aircraft, said Bruce A. Smith, dean of the Odegard School. We have anticipated the arrival for quite some time. We know the Mustang will be a great recruiting tool for the School, an amazing opportunity for our students as they transition from pistons and turboprops to flying jets, and a tremendous asset to the entire UND community.

The Mustang became the first of a new category of entry-level jets to achieve full certification from the Federal Aviation Administration (September 2006) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (May 2007). Twenty-seven have been delivered after assembly at Cessnas facility in Independence, Kansas, where a total of 44 Mustangs are scheduled to be delivered by years end. By 2009, production is expected to reach 150 per year.

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by av8or91

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N510ND

Anyone know anything about it?

They flew a 2 hour trip in a jet........at 28,000 feet
What a waste.

[TXaviator]

ARG wtf. a recruiting tool?

HEY SJS KIDS CHECK OUT THIS NEATO AIRPLANE U *wont GET TO FLY HERE!!!

makes me all kinds of angry.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by NJA_Capt

They flew a 2 hour trip in a jet........at 28,000 feet
What a waste.

Maybe waiting on RVSM approval.

[CAFFEINE]

Originally Posted by av8or91

I was told today that it was going to mainly be used for corporate travel and then maybe it will be used as an "advanced trainer". I wonder how much complaining about flying commercial airlines had to be done before someone decided to get this thing.

This isn't the first aircraft UND has bought for this kind of use... I recall they've owned and used a Baron, a Cheyenne, and a Citation in the past. Although I believe the Citation was mostly used for ice testing/certification and research.

And not all executive travel is done with these aircraft - I've run into Kupchella on NWA before...