Yup, true. I think VX/AS can be a great opportunity if you're on the west coast. They do have an aggressive 5-yr growth plan, and if the recent mass expansion out of SFO is any hint then there's no reason to doubt them. They are being forced to do so in order to compete with the big 3. If you are coming here, just come in with the eyes open and know the numbers. The combined pilot group is about ~ 2,600 pilots. And that's with the current combined mainline fleet of 218 planes. The combined retirements for the next 10 years (2017-2026) is about 670. What they've said is no matter which fleet plan they stick with (whether keep mixed fleet or single Boeing fleet), the mainline fleet is going to grow by 50 frames for the next 5 years. Obviously that will change the pilot group number (over 3,000 for sure) and bring in additional upgrades and movement. Still, if you're at the bottom of the list then you can plan on being a FO for a while. Then again that's always been Alaska, a historically long upgrade time. I will add that upgrades at VX are about to hit 2012 hires, and at AS they are still in the 2007 hires, but AS only has 7 pilots on the list hired in 2008, none hired in 2009-2010, and only 6 pilots for 2011. So once the 2007 hires are done, the upgrade stuff should fall rapidly to 2012 hires as well, just like it is going to be at VX. The JCBA will come, either by union/management agreement or worse case by arbitration. If the latter, I believe the date for the final arbitration is set for in October so the JCBA will be out by then. Then SLI proceedings which should take another 6 months or less. The next 12 months here will be full of change and hopefully for the better.