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Discussion in 'Jobs Needed' started by rpatte1637, Apr 7, 2010.

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  1. at1024 displaced Texan

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    I can totally see where MikeD is coming from. There's details about this that we do not know. I think it's great if the state wants to pay for it, but as mshunter said it should be something like "job shadowing" or an internship...not acting as a required crewmember by any means. We have to protect jobs for those that are qualified. Under those strict circumstances this could be beneficial.

    But let's face the reality of what can and probably will happen:

    Not sure of the stipulations of this program, but something like this is bound to happen if there are not rules set in place for employers. jhugz is right about that.

    And to the OP, I know you have good intentions of wanting to get your foot in the door, but what about the guy behind you? What happens after YOUR six weeks are up and there's people lined up behind you willing to do the same? Do they take the next guy and send you on your way? I'm not trying to jump all over your case, but I just think it would be nice if we knew more specifics about this program and what employers can and can't do. This is a very sensitive subject in this community, and I'm just trying to defend my future as a pilot like everyone else here.
    at1024, Apr 8, 2010
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  2. ppragman Slow Plane, Fast Plane

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    Lol, this is a joke, you guys take yourselves just a little too seriously.
    ppragman, Apr 8, 2010
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  3. krampster Well-Known Member

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    Another thing I wanted to mention. If you go into an employeer and do a good job selling yourself and tell them up front you will train and work for free for the first 6 weeks. I bet you just lost any potential at having them just plain hire and pay you because they think you are a good fit. So now the tax payers are paying for your training instead of the employer, is that right? Don't short yourself and others.
    krampster, Apr 8, 2010
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  4. E_Dawg Moderator

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    I don't understand how someone can have a job and also receive unemployment benefits at the same time?? So the government subsidizes his pay while the company gets free work, meanwhile someone else is out of a paid job? Doesn't sound right to me.
    E_Dawg, Apr 8, 2010
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  5. PFGiardino Well-Known Member

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    Sure hopin' so...
    PFGiardino, Apr 8, 2010
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  6. ozziecat35 Well-Known Member

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    Agree with TXaviator...I have nothing but respect for you MikeD, and I don't even have a large dog in this fight, but if employers can start to expect "free" labor under the auspices of a tax payer funded program, then yes, the bar is lowered, for all pilots, current (you guys) and future (me, with just my PPL and Inst.) Companies that require professional pilots need to understand that you get what you pay for.
    ozziecat35, Apr 8, 2010
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  7. MikeD Administrator

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    Again, for all those disagreeing with me, know that I'm trying to give the OP a chance to explain what all this is about. And again, we cops call this "gathering evidence". It may very well turn out to be crap, but I try not to judge a book by its cover. I want to know if there's something I may not be understanding (or you guys either), and only the OP can clear that up, or not.

    So if you guys are wondering where I'm coming from, that's it.....before ya'll throw me under the bus. :)

    I will say this about pilots though....they LOVE to worry and get all worked up about what everyone else in the biz is doing. Why not worry about what you are doing. That's all you can really make a change in. Unless you want to be stressed out daily and die of a coronary in your early 40s.
    MikeD, Apr 8, 2010
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  8. juxtapilot Liberal Nerdfest Hipster Professional

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    Okay sir,

    Here is what I understand from this. The OP is offering his services at no cost to the company. The government will pay him to work.

    The company won't have to pay a nickle.

    If I were to apply at this company, I would need to be paid BY THE COMPANY.

    Will the company hire the person they need to pay or the person who will be free? They will hire the free guy of course!

    It's completely reasonable that we feel screwed over by this guy, even though I am sure that's not his intention.

    For out of work pilots, this is a real kick in the junk.
    juxtapilot, Apr 8, 2010
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  9. MikeD Administrator

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    I want HIM to explain this, not you or me. He's making it appear that it's a training opportunity, that the state would be paying for as "education". It also appears that there's no job here, but one could possibly be created because of the "training opportunity". Neither you nor I fully know what this is because the description is sufficiently vague. It doesn't appear to be PFT, as in Pay For Training, but it being couched as PFT.....being Paid For Training, by a third party, the state unemployment.

    I want the OP to come back here and clarify, and am extending the benefit of doubt for him to do so. This could be brilliant, or could be a complete scam using a new method.

    I want to know which it is, from him.

    So all you tough guys primed to kill, hold your horses for a bit; and stop going after me too. :)

    OP? It's your floor.
    MikeD, Apr 8, 2010
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  10. juxtapilot Liberal Nerdfest Hipster Professional

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    Well it seemed pretty clear in his first post... I'll wait for his response though.

    OP, I see you flew the B1900? That's pretty cool. Where did you fly that?
    juxtapilot, Apr 8, 2010
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  11. exerauflyboy5 Well-Known Member

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    There could be an obamacare joke in op's original explanation but I'm to lazy to find it.

    My .01 cent on the subject of the Government paying full time employees there wages is this........


    Get out
    exerauflyboy5, Apr 8, 2010
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  12. MikeD Administrator

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    Am just wondering what the deal is with this, because it almost seems like a "too good to be true" type of program.

    That said, I do know some states provide varying forms of compensation for unemployed people getting schooling or training in new jobs, etc. Am just wondering what this thing is all about, if even its true. I don't even know if its true. OP hasn't answered.......yet.

    Could even be a fake posting altogether, for all I know.
    MikeD, Apr 8, 2010
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  13. Sandesh Well-Known Member

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    Sandesh, Apr 8, 2010
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  14. juxtapilot Liberal Nerdfest Hipster Professional

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    juxtapilot, Apr 8, 2010
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  15. darrenf resident denizen

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    2nd time just today. :)
    darrenf, Apr 8, 2010
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  16. TXaviator Well-Known Member

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    But that's just it! This IS relevant to what I'm doing, because I'm searching for jobs EVERY DAY...and if theres some bozo out there offering to do jobs for free, thats cutting me out of the picture. We've already determined that there's no value in quality in aviation... just pass the checkride, get the hours, get on the seniority list...
    TXaviator, Apr 8, 2010
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  17. MikeD Administrator

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    Have you even bothered to read anything else I've written here?

    We don't even yet know what this story is all about, since the OP hasn't responded to my requests to explain further. We don't even know if there's a job to be had for you to be cut out of.

    So relax until the OP gives us a little more info to determine if this thread is valid, or is a load of crap. Of course, I don't know if I should hold my breath, as this is appearing to be a drive-by posting......
    MikeD, Apr 8, 2010
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  18. Ghost Well-Known Member

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    Ghost, Apr 8, 2010
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  19. Sandesh Well-Known Member

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    I do what I can ghost. At these times, we should stick together not fight, there is enough of that in daily life but not in this forum, I actually like this place.
    Sandesh, Apr 8, 2010
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  20. TXaviator Well-Known Member

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    I didn't read the thread...i got so worked up over the OP that my blood pressure immediately went to thermonuclear.
    TXaviator, Apr 8, 2010
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