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Silver Airways Saab Lands At Wrong Airport

Discussion in 'Airline Pilots' started by v1valarob, Aug 8, 2012.

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  1. v1valarob Well-Known Member

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    http://m.wboy.com/default.aspx?pid=...airmont-municipal-airport?clienttype=rssstory
    v1valarob, Aug 8, 2012
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  2. surreal1221 Well-Known Member

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    Doh...

    Can't just get an exemption to operate the airplane on the runway? Really have to get it down to 12,500lbs? Lol
    surreal1221, Aug 8, 2012
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  3. Trip7 Stay Schemin...

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    Trip7, Aug 8, 2012
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  4. jrh Well-Known Member

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    Does Silver Airlines have GPS on their aircraft?
    jrh, Aug 8, 2012
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  5. Mike H Well-Known Member

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    somehow, I don't see where they've got 9500 lbs of seats on board
    Mike H, Aug 8, 2012
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  6. SteveCostello My member is well-known.

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    Well, with the seat pitch these days, they can cram so many seat in there that it might not be far off.
    SteveCostello, Aug 8, 2012
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  7. N519AT Ahh! This is how I change this!

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    Ouch. Not good.
    N519AT, Aug 8, 2012
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  8. ctab5060X Well-Known Member

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    We do have an FMS in the Saab.
    ctab5060X, Aug 8, 2012
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  9. Derg Major Domo

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    Gulley, Noooooooooooo!
    Derg, Aug 8, 2012
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  10. jrh Well-Known Member

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    I'm just confused over how this kind of mistake can happen with that sort of equipment available. At my operation, everything is loaded into the GPS, including an instrument approach, even with CAVU weather while operating VFR. If I ever lined up on the wrong airport, I'd have half a dozen cues indicating my error.

    Hopefully somebody learns something from this, I guess.
    jrh, Aug 8, 2012
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  11. amorris311 Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't there and I don't know what happened but, those are two airports that are hard to confuse for the same.
    amorris311, Aug 8, 2012
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  12. Derg Major Domo

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    It's an easy mistake depending on the type of approach.

    I saw, in the mad dog, pilots trying to 'macho it up' a little by calling the airport, clicking all of the automation off and attempting to shoot the visual... to the wrong airport.

    Some guys don't do the 'mental math' either. If you're 15 miles out, you're somewhat on the PAPI, you're 2500 feet and your GS is full scale (if you even have it tuned-in), that dog don't hunt.

    Stay out of the news, follow the FOM.
    Derg, Aug 8, 2012
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  13. flyer8 Well-Known Member

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    3200 foot runway vs 7000 foot runway at Clarksburg.
    flyer8, Aug 8, 2012
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  14. skypilot6 Well-Known Member

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    uhh oops...
    skypilot6, Aug 8, 2012
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  15. jrh Well-Known Member

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    Wise words, indeed.

    I'm always intrigued by how these things get going. Obviously much of it has to do with the individual pilot, but the overall culture of the pilot group and training department can be big factors as well. Retraining a pilot is easy, while shifting the safety culture of an entire organization can be tricky, to say the least.
    jrh, Aug 8, 2012
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  16. drunkenbeagle Gang Member

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    After flying with gulley, I see how this is possible with a GPS :)
    drunkenbeagle, Aug 8, 2012
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  17. amorris311 Well-Known Member

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    Plus the lights from the military training facility and the bombardier facility.
    amorris311, Aug 8, 2012
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  18. ctab5060X Well-Known Member

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    I totallly agree with this. Not sure about some other captains, but when I was flying out of IAD a couple of days ago, myself and the FO were both flying up there for the first time and we were borderline paranoid about checking and rechecking our position to make sure we had the right airport. Even to the point that I made a comment about not wanting to land at the wrong airport...
    ctab5060X, Aug 8, 2012
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  19. Jpax Vrooompewpewpew!

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    This is why, even in visual conditions, I always have an approach loaded up in the FMS to follow. If it ain't lining up with the runway, somethings not right! Unless, of course, you're in the simulator and it draws the runway in the wrong spot and you're perfectly on course and glide. :)
    Jpax, Aug 8, 2012
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  20. Skillet Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same thing, over at AirTran we'll bring our 737 on charters into places where the double wheel is considerably lower.

    Sent from my LS670 using Tapatalk 2
    Skillet, Aug 8, 2012
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