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Sierra West Airlines

Discussion in 'Freight Pilots/"OOTSK"' started by CFIT99, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. Patrick

    Patrick Well-Known Member

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    If I ever become an FAA Inspector, this will be one of my projects.
     
  2. Sambeaux

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    I know the information was pretty Grimm here a while back as evidenced by this and other threads. Anyone have any new sitreps?
     
  3. CoffeeIcePapers

    CoffeeIcePapers Well-Hung Member

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    I ran into a crew last year in ELP. Nothing seems to have changed. The worst part about them is that they do tail end 91 repo legs. So imagine getting a call at 2 am (after being on call 24 hours), planning an international trip to the middle of Mexico with your hour callout, waiting on freight for an untold amount of time, stopping in KLRD to clear customs, flying to KYIP, unloading the freight (while it's 25* F), and then re-positioning back to KELP. From what I was told, they routinely do 16+ hour duty days. Most other operators would put you on rest in KYIP and leave you there until they sell you on a trip out of there.
     
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  4. Inverted

    Inverted My captain doesn't have a degree, I'm scared....

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    How are they still in business? Serious question
     
  5. CoffeeIcePapers

    CoffeeIcePapers Well-Hung Member

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    A multitude of reasons.

    1. The local FSDO doesn't enforce the regs.
    2. They hire guys with really low time and upgrade them at 1200 hours to keep a steady supply.
    3. They have been in the freight game a long time, and have a lot of connections, so finding charters isn't hard.
     
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  6. EIR

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    Pay off their POI.
     
  7. Blackhawk

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    This is what I don't get. You don't have a 10 hour look back since you were on call and that's not rest. It was obvious when they had that Metro crash in Missouri that this is what happened- the crew was exhausted. Everyone in ELP at the time assumed Sierra West would be toast. Anyone could look at FlightAware and see what happened. Nope.
     
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    CoffeeIcePapers Well-Hung Member

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    What crash was that?
     
  9. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Well-Known Member

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    https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20060817-0

    "The captain stated to the NTSB that he was "tired' and did not sleep since he began company flying on the day before the accident at 20:30. He stated that he and the first officer spent several hours on the ground in Alabama where they got lunch but did not sleep."

    Accident occurred at 1530. He started his day at 20:30. I'm sure he was "on call" before it began. Still, they'd been on duty for 18 hours when the accident happened, though technically not on duty since it was a part 91 repo, but they did not have rest. No change to Sierra West operations.
     
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    Thanks, tried to Google it, but didn't find it.
     
  11. topofclimb123

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    The word from old timers, who have been around aviation for 40+ years, is that they divulged a lot of their knowledge of the narcotics trade to the FEDS. Flash forward those 40+ years and now SW is a major government contractor and a very wealthy land baron.
     
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    What government contracts to they have? I've only seen them fly auto parts.
     
  13. Box hauler

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    I flew for them for 1.5 years and the only thing I moved were car parts. Not sure what contracts he is talking about.
     
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    You can search gov websites on contractors/vendors and the amount taxpayers have paid. Here's one site. Pak West Airlines Inc. in Oakdale, California . There's journalists researching the possible link of their involvement with fast and furious.

    Re the POI: FAT FSDO oversees their Ops Specs and SFO oversees their home base, Oakdale airport. ABQ FSDO should oversee them since they are really based in ELP. All of the FSDO agents are fed up with them, but they are being pushed from above to deal with it.

    Sw is running multiple property management companies out of their hq. They occasionally have renters showing up at night in their pajamas paying their rent in cash.You have no idea how much property theses guys own.


    It makes since that they may be tied to higher ups in the govt. It's the price the Feds had to pay for the info they extracted from sw.
     
  15. Box hauler

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    Yeah I know the Robinsons do massive business, I was just speaking about the flying they did when I was there.
     
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    Yep, Robinson needs to be called out as he did by calling out his Mexican border brothers. He's been getting away with his "get out of jail card" from the gov't for too long. We've known too many people, pilots and businesses who have been taken by him and his family. There's going to be plenty of embarrassed politicians and business partners when the Life and Times of the Robinson's go public.
     
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    You'd be surprised how many airlines have made PITA FAA inspectors "go away".
     
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    Has anyone heard how the Robinson's Oakdale Country Club home burned to the ground about a month ago? It seems to be a hush subject in that town with no mention in the local paper. Maybe there is such a thing as Karma?
     
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    This is going to make a great book. Deb [Hutchinson] Robinson grows up in a family run car wash business and marries Ken, a washed out UPS pilot, to create their own air freight company specializing in Mexican trade. Ken's business partner, Jan Eric Aarvik, back in the day at their skydiving jump zone in California City, is apprehend and extradited back to his country where he is supposed to be in jail for narcotic smuggling . Ken and Deb then use their proceeds to buy up swaths of real estate, all the while receiving preferential treatment from the government, local and federal. There's obviously way more to this story. This could become movie? Stay tuned.
     
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