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Question about CFI initial checkride

Discussion in 'Checkride Central' started by Bamaaviator, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. Bamaaviator

    Bamaaviator Well-Known Member

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    Should be getting closer to scheduling my cfi ride soon. Been reading the CFI PTS and am confused about the part where it talks about 'instructional knowledge' for each task. Besides section IV, task A, Preflight maneuver lesson, does this mean that you have to give sort of a 'mini lesson' for each task, or just be able to explain the subjects very in depth using instructional aids, reference materials, dry erase board to explain and 'teach' the examiner?
     
  2. MidlifeFlyer

    MidlifeFlyer Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    That means you may be called upon to do any of those. They are testing the depth of your knowledge but the ultimate goal is to determine whether you have both the knowledge to teach it and the ability to teach it.

    For example, on my CFI ride, the last thing we did was a scenario. The examiner told me he was a 12 hour student who was close to solo. He was going to do a traffic pattern and landing and I was his instructor.
     
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    bike21 Somewhat Known Member

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    Yep, be ready to go well beyond rote - you'll need to show a solid understanding of any subject asked. If you don't know admit it and look it up, don't make stuff up whatever you do.
     
  4. Bamaaviator

    Bamaaviator Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so besides the preflight maneuver lesson, he/she can ask to give another lesson on any task(s) at his or her discretion, correct? If they do, do they give you some time to prepare and get set up (dry erase board descriptions, references ready, etc)? Or do they just want you to start teaching it from the get go?
     
  5. MidlifeFlyer

    MidlifeFlyer Well-Known Member

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    it has been a while but, typically, it's going to be one full ground "lesson." The "instructional knowledge" on the other tasks are going to be more simulated student-instructor give and take.

    That's the main difference between the CFI ground and the others - the form of the question and answer. On a private checkride, you might be asked how maneuvering speed varies with weight to see if you know it is less than published at less than max gross. You say it goes down with weight and shut up.

    As a CFI applicant, you might be asked, "I know maneuvering speed goes down with weight but I dont understand why. Can you explain it to me?" Your initial answer may find a student who really doesn't understand and you need to find a way to get it across.

    Are you working with a CFI on this? If not you should be. Getting into the CFI mindset is the most difficult part of the process. My CFI said this to me about the CFI ride:" "You are a commercial pilot. We know you know how to fly. But do you know how to teach?" It applies just as much to the ground portion.
     
  6. Bamaaviator

    Bamaaviator Well-Known Member

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    Ok I see. That's what I was interpreting about the part of "instructional knowledge" with all other tasks beside preflight maneuver lesson.

    And yes, I'm working with a cfi. Several in fact. I swap back and forth between 3 depending on who's available. They're all very busy, so they're availability isn't great. Between ground lessons it's very hard to hear back from them via text or email as they stay very busy. I do ground with them about twice a week. I also work a part time job and have a family too so that's another factor.

    We should be doing checkride prep in about 2-3 weeks and haven't had the chance to ask my instructors about that yet, so I logged on here to get a quick response from somebody, since I was curious about it. But thanks for the reply, it confirmed what I was thinking.
     
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    coks Well-Known Member

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    I'm also prepping for my CFI ride and my biggest advice is to teach all the technical subject areas and flight maneuvers to someone. It helps so much going through and teaching a lesson like you will on your ride, try to teach to a CFI so they can ask you questions much like your examiner will on your ride.
     
  8. MidlifeFlyer

    MidlifeFlyer Well-Known Member

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    On the same line of thought, it's not a bad idea to teach a willing non-pilot a technical subject area appropriate to a new student, so they can ask you the kind of questions real students will. If you can make them understand, you are probably on the right track.
     
  9. Bamaaviator

    Bamaaviator Well-Known Member

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    Definitely agree, I've had the opportunity to teach a private student (supervised by a CFI) a couple of times and it was great experience. I've already taught most of the technical subject areas that a cfi applicant is required to have training on. Going to start checkride prep pretty soon and teaching maneuvers as well.
     

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