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Piper Cherokee 140

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by JaceTheAce, Dec 15, 2005.

  1. JaceTheAce

    JaceTheAce Well-Known Member

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    There's a Piper 140 at this flight school going for a pretty reasonable wet hourly price.

    Anyone know the V-Speeds for this slow dog? Same as the PA28 160HP? How bad is it's climb performance compared to the new 160HP Warrior III's that I'm used to flying?

    If it's really that bad, I'll just stick with their 172 that I'm already checked out in.
  2. JEP

    JEP What are you looking at? Staff Member

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    Try here:

    http://www.aviationist.com/show-v-speeds.php
  3. TonyC

    TonyC New Member

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    First airplane I ever flew - - I had a blast.


    An hour of flight time is an hour of flight time when you're looking at the totals on the pages of your log books. I'd fly the cheapest one they've got.


    The only time to consider anything else is when you're trying to make the miles for a cross-country. Then it would be wise to do the math.

    You'll find that there are some definite differences - - the picture, the view, the landings - - not necessarily better or worse, just different. (I realize some will argue the last point, and that's OK, I don't mind.) If swapping between a high wing and a low wing presents a problem to you, that is, if you have a hard time switching from one to the other and back, pick one and stick with it. Eventually, though, you're probably going to want to be able to "switch hit." If you progress towards multi-engine airplanes, you might want to ask yourself which airplane more closely resembles those - - the 140 or the 172? (I just reread your post and realized you have Arrow experience - - so just forget this last paragraph. :) )


    As to your questions, though, I'm sorry - - it's been way too long to remember speeds. :)




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  4. Windchill

    Windchill Well-Known Member

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    My first bit of low-wing experience was a Cherokee 140 Cruiser with a 150hp-engine thrown in.

    I enjoyed the plane, but the instructor who gave me the check-out said performance wise there ought to be just one other pax or you'd have a tough time getting the aircraft up.

    Training wise I'd go with the 140 ... cheaper and easier to rack up the cross-country hours since you're flying slower ... and easier to stay ahead of the airplane because of the speeds.

    Once training is complete, I'd still putz around in the 140, but opt for the Warrior, Arrow for slightly higher useful loads for more pax, bags; more comfortable and perhaps better avionics.
  5. JaceTheAce

    JaceTheAce Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the help everyone. I'm only renting it for fun flights with family and friends, so I'm not worried at all about speed. The only thing I'm concerned about is climb performance with 2 other people it. Granted we are average weight people, but I've heard that 140 barely takes off with 4 under-weight men!

    I prefer the low-wing Pipers...I hate the push and pull throttle/mixture knobs on the Cessna. It's a lot easier to control the Piper-style trottle/mixture handles, in my opinion.
  6. Foxcow

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    They do not climb nearly as well as the PA28-161s. I've even flown one that has 160 hp and is climb performance was still poor and I think its because of the hershey bar wing. If you are still up in the GFK area, you should go out to Crooston and get checked out in their PA28-181. When I was at UND, I used to fly that aircraft and love it. 20hp makes a big difference. They put in a new interior recently too.
  7. JaceTheAce

    JaceTheAce Well-Known Member

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    Oh no way? wow. It's an Archer then right? How much was it per hour???

    I wanna go out there and get a checkout.
  8. B767Driver

    B767Driver New Member

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    Do the weight and balance of course to run the numbers for yourself...but the PA28-140/151/161 is not a 4 adult airplane. Possibly with very little gas. Also...if you are used to flying this type of airplane with only yourself and an instructor...when you add back seat passengers the airplane will fly much differently. Be sure the airplane is ready to fly before you leave ground effect.

    Also, the -140 flies a little different than the 151 & 161 models...mostly due to the hershey bar wing. The stall break will be a little different...the lack of horsepower will be noticeable. I would suggest an hour with an instructor for differences training and you should be good to go.
  9. airplanerik

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    I think I'd still be VERY nervous flying the 140 out of O61 (over the hills/trees at the end of the runway) if I had more than two people on board -- at least from what I have heard about it's climb performance!
  10. UAL747400

    UAL747400 Well-Known Member

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    I got my private pilots license back home in one of these. My flight instructor weighed 250 pounds! There was definetly a noticable difference when he wasnt there. I havent flown one for like 2 years so I'll try to remember the differences.

    -I could be thinking of the warrior with this but, it pitches up instead of down when you extend the flaps. So you'll be trimming forward, or holding the yoke from coming back each time you extend.

    -This might just be how the FBO wanted me to fly, but it was 90 knots on downwind, slow to 80 when abeam, slow and hold 65 on final.

    -floats like a son of a gun compared to a warrior

    -power on stalls are a joke. what power? lol

    Thats about all I remember right now. I could be wrong with the piching up when extending flaps thing. All I know is you are rolling the trim wheel, or at least holding the pitch differently than you do in the warrior. I dont recall finding that plane all that slow once getting in the air though. I think most of my TAS's were 95-100.

    One thing I can tell you about loading the thing down is, once at the FBO I used to fly out of, they put 4 fullsize guys in this thing flew from Davenport(KDVN) to Dubuque(KDBQ), about 100 miles I think, and didnt get to pattern altitude till about 20 miles away from Dubuque.

    Definetly give the archer a try if you can. Thats what I fly back home now and I like it a lot. Made me kinda not like the warriors though.
  11. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Ahhhh the Piper Cherokee !

    First airplane I ever flew, and stuck with the same airplane for my Private. It's a blast to fly !!!

    I think that specific model came in the Cherokee Cruiser and the Cherokee Fliteline or Fliteliner. Anyway, mine was the Cherokee Cruiser, hence my user name !
  12. Foxcow

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    Last time I flew it, it was 77 an hour wet! Good clean airplane. PM me if you are interested in a picture.
  13. JaceTheAce

    JaceTheAce Well-Known Member

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    Erik you are right - that was my concern too. Oscar 61 has those trees/houses on either side, especially Runway 13 where you have to weave the plane in and out of the canyon just to climb without hitting that guy's tall TV antenna (it's been struck 3 times...that's why they put the landing threshold there). The 140 may not be able to bring us out of there safely with 3 total passengers.

    Granted, the passengers will weight between 120 and 170, so it may not be so much of a problem...but better safe than sorry.

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