I swear I'm not swapping my snow tires yet for at least one more month...

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I'm sure the Crown Vic Interceptor's precision American engineering and handling performance will work the BMW M3 over.

The interpretation of " car" is in the eyes of the owner. A 1980's Ford Escort Cosworth (obviously only a Euro car) may be a " " car based on your perception but it sure as hell is a great performer. It really depends on what you are using the car for. Sure, a Crown Vic Intercepter with a supercharger and whatever may be wonderful for drag racing, but is it a good road car? It all depends on what we value in a car's characteristics...whether it be handling, reliability, braking, steering response, acceleration in a straight line, modability, etc... I at this point as a poor college student prefer reliability at 60% with performance at 40%, so I drive a Honda Civic Si. Later when I have more disposable income, as everyone who knows me knows...I will be choosing an 1988-1991 E30 M3 and 1997-1999 E36 BMW M3 for my daily drivers. Of course they don't hold the "American Muscle car acceleration"...and their braking and handling...but they do hold what I value most - overall road and handling performance.

Some of you people and your American car hangups...There's a reason why American auto racing is dominated by racing circuits with cars that only go in a straight line and Euro/Japanese circuits have it where it counts...and why American circuits SUCK ass in F1/WRC (if they even dare race in WRC) circuits. Okay...now the Corvette is an exception wonderful price/performance ratio! But the Mustang? COME ON! Live beam axle SUSPENSION STILL?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I thought that was 1930's technology...oh wait, but it's only beneficial for drag racing...(weight transfer)...which is all that Detroit cares about.

Gayce the Ace

Exactly. I'm not sure what my hang up on american cars is. Granted I will have the full collection of domestic and imports someday, there's just something I like about domestics. Could be a "rooting for the home team" thing. I don't know. Whats coming out of the big three, excuse me 2 since chrysler is owned by mercedes, is getting better. Mainly GM right now, the corvette, sky/solstice, colorado ss( ), gto, cts-v, sts-v and soon to be camaro. The mainline cars are getting better as well. The malibu/9-3, cobalt(which has NOTHING to do with the old cavalier what so ever), g6, ect. They're coming around. I don't know what the hell Ford is doing. No svt focus, a 3800 pound gt 500(screw that), focus thats only available with a manual if you buy the pandsy ass 4 cylinder, 500(what the hell?). My only beef with domestics is almost no car is offered with a manual. Not even as an option.

However there's still no question on if you want the overall package BMW is the way to go. Even the new bastardized bangle styled ones. I don't know if I hold new BMW up anymore, but the older chassiss are amazing if you want the car that does it all.

I think we end up liking the cars that our parents have owned. Whether it was the new car smell of the 1993 BMW 525i my mom bought or the "vintage" vinyl smell of my uncle's 1983 320i (now THAT was a cool car)...or the fun rides in my neighbor's brown 1982 Porsche 911 SC as a kid...or the road circuits at Leguna Seca and Sears Point raceway...we may tend to like the cars that we were exposed to.

Now the Saturn Sky/Pontiac Soltice... I was SHOCKED to see such a great car come out of there. Too bad it doesn't receive the demand/recognition as it should...even if they "copied" the Miata or Z3/Z4, it's still an amazing car. And the CTS-V...I thought Cadillac was a dead brand, but finally they realized the importance of RWD when paired with a torquey V8 and not some V8-heavy front-wheel-drive 99.99999999999999 to .0000000000000000001 ratio weight distribution like
their stupid DeVille and El Dorado. Why GM decided that a front-wheel drive system paired with a 300 HP V-8 powerplant would be a good idea is beyond me.

How about a mallet solstice?:




Don't ask me how the hell they fit an LS2 in there. lol <---- That is me giggling like a school girl.

I saw that project before... wow... HP/weight ratio? sounds like fun.

I agree with all the posts now which dissapoints me because i will now have to wait a couple of weeks until i find something i disagree with slightly to try and create an interesting board

It's a *who wants to die in 2 seconds* car.

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