Discussion in 'General Topics' started by abrutus, Jul 9, 2012.
Last I checked a stall warning switch for a 210 is something like $2500 new.
On some non tso'd headsets (like the bose qc15 with u fly mike) you have zero audio through the headset with a dead battery. Gets tricky when you're relying on audio to get you down.
Not that I've ever worked for a place like this, but I've heard that it can be hard to convince an owner to pay up for a new one.
Not a justification to operate an unairworthy airplane, mind you, but I agree with you in principle.
I just figured that most pilots that had been around the block enough knew better than to try and replace (what would be viewed by some) a useless $2500 part on a $40,000 aircraft.
Exactly. I think i was more trying to say that it isnt a justification to gear one up, either
Meh. I'm not sure I'd call it worthless. I'd like to live in your ideal world where all pilots are all Chuck Yeager all of the time and can ride the edge of the stall by feel alone while inverted, iced up, inside a thunderstorm, but my belief is that the reality is that a stall warning horn is an important device that once in a while just might save someone's inattentive bacon.
The flip side of it is, of course, that there is no freaking way they should be that expensive, and if the FAA were really serious about safety they'd work with the manufacturers to bring affordable parts to market.
Yeah, not saying its worthless, but in my world if I end up inverted, iced up, inside a thunderstorm, im prolly dead anyway, and a $2500 horn wont do me much good. I'd rather put that money towards some new tires so I wont look like an ass popping a worn out one on the run way.
100% of the ones l work on have working gear horns when they leave the shop.
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At the risk of being horribly embarrassed later, I've never gotten even close to landing gear up. Check at the marker, check at the MM, check over the fence, and check one more time when you're flaring. The key is remembering that you, like everyone who has ever landed gear up (could be anyone) are stupid, and you sometimes forget things.
Er, except me, I'm perfect and never do anything wrong, so I don't need to check.
Also if anyone has ever seen an ANR headset before, you'll notice that the headsets worn in the video are not ANR, and look more like they are from 1970.
Here's an idea, maintain your aircraft in airworthy condition from the gear horn all the way down to the tires.
What? you mean keep everything in perfect condition on the plane at all times? yeah right...
No... "Maintain it in an airworthy condition."
Well, im not a mechanic, and dont know whats considered airworthy per the manual. I mean really, im not getting into this. This has the potential to be just as asinine as the nav light argument. The only thing i was trying to point out was the foolishness of trying to say that not being able to hear a gear horn for whatever reason justifies a gear up.
I'm sure if i ever do land gear up it will be in something much more shiny and expensive, with five different voices yelling at me to put the things down. At least then ill be airworthy.
It crashed because they didn't put the gear down.
At the end of the day, if you intend on landing, you GOTS to get the gear down. Period. No excuses.
This reminds me of your John Maddenisms during football season.
Does anybody have any details about this other than the video? Anybody know what they are saying in the video after the crash? I'd be curious whether the gear up landing was intentional. Could have had a problem that caused them to leave the gear up. The reaction looks like like shock over the crash, but it may be because of a more jarring impact than they had expected. Reaction after leaving the plane would be the damage. I have nothing that would back this up, just a thought.
Oh and on a different note, people pay a lot of money for props that look like that. Free Q-tips
This thead title reminded me of something that happened about 10 years ago. I had a new Lightspeed 30 ANR headset. Whenever I'd land at a field with radar (ARSAs, TCAs), I'd get this loud, deafening chirp in the headset. They were returned to the factory twice, and twice came back with something changed out. The LAST time I flew with them, it was so loud, disorienting, and distracting I had to remove the headset on short final. It was really bad.
As far as not hearing the horn because if ANR, yea right. People have been not hearing the horn long before ANR. The TB20 series will scream at you with anything greater than first position flaps extended. As for parts, the EADS costs make Cessna and Beech/RAPID supply system look like Costco.
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