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| Old Skool |
Was having a conversation about crew coordination earlier with jtrain, and it reminded me of my own training in the Army. I was wondering how the airlines or other two pilot operators train pilots for this. This list of Crew Coordination Elements is something I remember nearly verbatim to this day, and though not nearly all inclusive for complete Crew Coordination Training, it is a handy little list even if just for the CFI/student crew. Quote:
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| Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Birmingham AL
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I do believe you briefed me on one of those before we left Bradley. Even though I was not a crew member you were willing to take input if I saw something out of the ordinary. Thanks for posting those.
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| Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR
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Excellent!
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| Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007
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Pre-takeoff may be something like "taking off ____ runway (insert information regarding the airport environment), if we encounter any problem prior to VR, the left seat will take PF responsibilities and an aborted takeoff will be initiated. If the problem is encountered after VR, the takeoff will be continued with the left seat assuming PF duties, and dealt with as a in-flight emergency" Is this what you are asking? | |
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| Old Skool |
I think he's wondering where people learned the concept if they were in the civilian world. The military does a very good job of teaching some things that many people think are so obvious that they just get skipped, even when they aren't obvious at all. I was never really taught CRM in any professional sense. ATP used to do a one day "CRM Training" as part of the 302 (or was it 305) pairing before sending students off on cross country. That was pretty much an intro to the different ways of reading and doing a checklist with two pilots on board. Other then that there wasn't much covered. When I taught that I normally included stuff from the United Airlines "CUS" words curriculum and had my two (or four a few times as some how I became the location CRM specialist) students roll play through some conflicts in the FTD. Other then that, at the student level I never had any training. During 121 ground we read over the section of the FOM that discusses CRM, but, like most things in the FOM, it assumes you already know the concept and how it works. I remember the first time I jumpseated, being blown away about the level of coordination between the two pilots. The irony is, I later found out (first hand for one) that the FO was a self centered idiot (who washed out of upgrade here) and the CA was one of the most incompetent, had no business EVER upgrading people I've ever flown with. But still, I was impressed with what I saw the first time. In reality, some places do much better at teaching CRM then others. I know Matt used to teach a multi day course on it over at Xjet. Other places may do that as well. I got 5 minutes worth of reading from an FOM and one "good captain/bad captain" video. |
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| Old Skool | Quote:
The Army spends a lot of time on this very important topic, and I wondered how the airlines did it. Review a couple crew coordination breakdown accidents and it's remarkable how simple words - or sometimes the lack of words - can cause an accident. | |
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003
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As BobDDuck said, FlyChicaga teaches a CRM class so he could answer this best. | |
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