Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens

aloft · October 9th, 2003, 23:09

Can anyone tell me if I need separate endorsements to take the instrument airplane, flight instructor - instrument airplane and instrument ground instructor knowledge tests? Or is one for the instrument airplane test good for the other two?

raysalmon · October 10th, 2003, 05:13

Technically, the IA endorsement is only good for the IA written, so no, it doesn't cover the other two. However, you don't need an endorsement to take an flight or ground instructor writtten, so in the end you only need the one endorsement for the IA.

Ray

ready2fly · October 10th, 2003, 07:48

Ditto what Ray Ray said, Aloft.

I took all three of the Instrument writtens on the same day (IA, CFI-I and IGI) and only needed an endorsement for the IA.

You taking all three? Great idea! Glad I got them all out of the way.

R2F

Kingairer · October 10th, 2003, 12:26

I took the IGI and IA in the same day. Same test bank of questions. I wasnt too concerend about the IGI since no examiner was going to be looking at it. I rushed through the IGI and spent my time and worked everything out on the IA, I got the SAME score! on both.

aloft · October 10th, 2003, 16:10

Awesome. Thanks for the responses.

CaliforniaSurfer · October 10th, 2003, 17:00

If you're going to get your CFII, why get the IGI? Just wondering

Surf

raysalmon · October 10th, 2003, 17:31

In case you lose your medical....then you can stil give instrument ground instruction when your CFI expires.

Ray

Buzo · October 10th, 2003, 22:45

If you want to be a gold seal instructor you must have a ground instructor cert.

CaliforniaSurfer · October 11th, 2003, 18:09

Thanks raysalmon and Buzo. Now I know.

Ophir · October 13th, 2003, 14:41

[ QUOTE ]
If you want to be a gold seal instructor you must have a ground instructor cert.

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What is a gold seal instructor?

EatSleepFly · October 13th, 2003, 14:47

Better than 80% Pass Rate.

ready2fly · October 13th, 2003, 15:00

[ QUOTE ]
If you want to be a gold seal instructor you must have a ground instructor cert.

[/ QUOTE ]
Or a REEEEEALLY lenient DE.

EatSleepFly · October 13th, 2003, 15:05

DE's don't give out Gold Seals...you have to pay a visit to the FSDO for that.

Ophir · October 13th, 2003, 21:45

Yeah, but then what? What if you are a Golden Seal Instructor? How is that recognized? How is it better? Is it just something saying you got 80%'s on your tests?

aloft · October 13th, 2003, 22:26

Most gold seal CFIs charge more under the premise that you're getting better than average instruction.

montanapilot · October 13th, 2003, 23:08

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Is it just something saying you got 80%'s on your tests?

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i think it is just a 80% pass rate of the students you instruct.

EatSleepFly · October 14th, 2003, 06:28

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Yeah, but then what?

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Nothing really, just something to put on your resume, and set you apart from the rest I guess. Your certificate will have a gold FAA seal on it (instead of black).

Its not like it costs anything, and once you get it, its for life- each time you renew, it will always be a gold seal. I plan on getting mine, but I need to sign off a few more people.

ready2fly · October 14th, 2003, 07:08

[ QUOTE ]
DE's don't give out Gold Seals

[/ QUOTE ]
True, but not my point. DE's either pass or fail your students. To be a "Gold Seal", you have to have above an 80% pass rate.

Follow me now?

EatSleepFly · October 14th, 2003, 07:27

Gotcha...

I read it as you were implying you need a 80% pass rate OR an AGI. My bad...

raysalmon · October 14th, 2003, 15:09

8700.1 CHG 9 6/1/93
13-4 Vol. 2

E. Required Criteria. Inspect the appl icant’s certificates and record of flight instruction to determine if the applicant meets the following criteria at the time of application:

(1) holds a Flight Instructor Certificate and at
least a Commercial Pilot Certificate with an Instrument
rating;

(2) holds a Ground Instructor Certificate with an
Advanced or an Instrument Ground Instructor rating;
and

(3) within the past 24 months has accomplished
one of the following:

(a ) trained and recommended for certification at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings; 80 percent of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt;

(b) conducted at least 20 practical tests as a
designated pilot examiner or 20 graduation tests as
chief flight instructor for an approved pilot school
course; or

(c) a combination of (a) and (b) (two
practical tests equal one trained and recommended
applicant).

Ray

Ophir · October 14th, 2003, 20:27

So the only way to get it is to become an DE or conduct gradution tests as a Chief Instructor at a 141 school?

Buzo · October 14th, 2003, 22:53

You can also get one by signing off at least 10 students and having an 80% pass rate on first time applicants

raysalmon · October 15th, 2003, 06:44

(3) within the past 24 months has accomplished
ONE of the following:

(a ) trained and recommended for certification at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings; 80 percent of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt;

(b) conducted at least 20 practical tests as a
designated pilot examiner or 20 graduation tests as
chief flight instructor for an approved pilot school
course; or

(c) a combination of (a) and (b) (two
practical tests equal one trained and recommended
applicant).

Ray

Ophir · October 15th, 2003, 12:34

Gottcha, thanks for that clarification. I was wondering . . . . DE and CFI, that would have been pretty challenging.

October 9th, 2003, 23:09	#1
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,812	Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Can anyone tell me if I need separate endorsements to take the instrument airplane, flight instructor - instrument airplane and instrument ground instructor knowledge tests? Or is one for the instrument airplane test good for the other two?

October 10th, 2003, 05:13	#2
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Technically, the IA endorsement is only good for the IA written, so no, it doesn't cover the other two. However, you don't need an endorsement to take an flight or ground instructor writtten, so in the end you only need the one endorsement for the IA. Ray

October 10th, 2003, 07:48	#3
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,137	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Ditto what Ray Ray said, Aloft. I took all three of the Instrument writtens on the same day (IA, CFI-I and IGI) and only needed an endorsement for the IA. You taking all three? Great idea! Glad I got them all out of the way. R2F

October 10th, 2003, 12:26	#4
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,170	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens I took the IGI and IA in the same day. Same test bank of questions. I wasnt too concerend about the IGI since no examiner was going to be looking at it. I rushed through the IGI and spent my time and worked everything out on the IA, I got the SAME score! on both.

October 10th, 2003, 16:10	#5
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,812	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Awesome. Thanks for the responses.

October 10th, 2003, 17:00	#6
CaliforniaSurfer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SoCal Posts: 296	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens If you're going to get your CFII, why get the IGI? Just wondering Surf

October 10th, 2003, 17:31	#7
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens In case you lose your medical....then you can stil give instrument ground instruction when your CFI expires. Ray

October 10th, 2003, 22:45	#8
Buzo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rockford, IL Posts: 256	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens If you want to be a gold seal instructor you must have a ground instructor cert.

October 11th, 2003, 18:09	#9
CaliforniaSurfer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SoCal Posts: 296	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Thanks raysalmon and Buzo. Now I know.

October 13th, 2003, 14:41	#10
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens [ QUOTE ] If you want to be a gold seal instructor you must have a ground instructor cert. [/ QUOTE ] What is a gold seal instructor?

October 13th, 2003, 14:47	#11
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Better than 80% Pass Rate.

October 13th, 2003, 15:00	#12
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,137	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens [ QUOTE ] If you want to be a gold seal instructor you must have a ground instructor cert. [/ QUOTE ] Or a REEEEEALLY lenient DE.

October 13th, 2003, 15:05	#13
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens DE's don't give out Gold Seals...you have to pay a visit to the FSDO for that.

October 13th, 2003, 21:45	#14
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Yeah, but then what? What if you are a Golden Seal Instructor? How is that recognized? How is it better? Is it just something saying you got 80%'s on your tests?

October 13th, 2003, 22:26	#15
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,812	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Most gold seal CFIs charge more under the premise that you're getting better than average instruction.

October 13th, 2003, 23:08	#16
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,639	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens [ QUOTE ] Is it just something saying you got 80%'s on your tests? [/ QUOTE ] i think it is just a 80% pass rate of the students you instruct.

October 14th, 2003, 06:28	#17
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens [ QUOTE ] Yeah, but then what? [/ QUOTE ] Nothing really, just something to put on your resume, and set you apart from the rest I guess. Your certificate will have a gold FAA seal on it (instead of black). Its not like it costs anything, and once you get it, its for life- each time you renew, it will always be a gold seal. I plan on getting mine, but I need to sign off a few more people.

October 14th, 2003, 07:08	#18
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,137	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens [ QUOTE ] DE's don't give out Gold Seals [/ QUOTE ] True, but not my point. DE's either pass or fail your students. To be a "Gold Seal", you have to have above an 80% pass rate. Follow me now?

October 14th, 2003, 07:27	#19
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Gotcha... I read it as you were implying you need a 80% pass rate OR an AGI. My bad...

October 14th, 2003, 15:09	#20
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens 8700.1 CHG 9 6/1/93 13-4 Vol. 2 E. Required Criteria. Inspect the appl icant’s certificates and record of flight instruction to determine if the applicant meets the following criteria at the time of application: (1) holds a Flight Instructor Certificate and at least a Commercial Pilot Certificate with an Instrument rating; (2) holds a Ground Instructor Certificate with an Advanced or an Instrument Ground Instructor rating; and (3) within the past 24 months has accomplished one of the following: (a ) trained and recommended for certification at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings; 80 percent of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt; (b) conducted at least 20 practical tests as a designated pilot examiner or 20 graduation tests as chief flight instructor for an approved pilot school course; or (c) a combination of (a) and (b) (two practical tests equal one trained and recommended applicant). Ray

October 14th, 2003, 20:27	#21
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens So the only way to get it is to become an DE or conduct gradution tests as a Chief Instructor at a 141 school?

October 14th, 2003, 22:53	#22
Buzo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rockford, IL Posts: 256	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens You can also get one by signing off at least 10 students and having an 80% pass rate on first time applicants

October 15th, 2003, 06:44	#23
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens (3) within the past 24 months has accomplished ONE of the following: (a ) trained and recommended for certification at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings; 80 percent of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt; (b) conducted at least 20 practical tests as a designated pilot examiner or 20 graduation tests as chief flight instructor for an approved pilot school course; or (c) a combination of (a) and (b) (two practical tests equal one trained and recommended applicant). Ray

October 15th, 2003, 12:34	#24
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Endorsements for IA + CFII + IGI writtens Gottcha, thanks for that clarification. I was wondering . . . . DE and CFI, that would have been pretty challenging.

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