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October 15th, 2007, 19:49
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 |  Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Lets say I dont have my high performance endorsement, and Im rated for single engine land. I go up in a C182 with an endorsed pilot, but I am the sole manipulator. Can I log (not act) that flight as PIC?
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October 15th, 2007, 19:52
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Yes.
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October 15th, 2007, 20:32
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? what he said...if it is single engine land and you have a single engine land rating you are good. that includes anything up to 12,500 lbs turbine or not turbine (not jet) You can fly a Cessna Caravan on floats providing you land on a runway and not water and be PIC.
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October 15th, 2007, 22:38
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Can I log safety pilot time w/out high power endorsement? |
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October 16th, 2007, 01:32
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Also yes; you just can't log it as PIC since you cannot ACT as PIC.
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October 16th, 2007, 13:56
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Quote:
Ok, thats where Im slightly confused, 61.31(f) says that no person may Act as PIC unless they have the endorsement. Lets say Pilot A has the endorsement Pilot B does NOT have the endorsement they both go on a flight, and pilot B is the sole manipulator... Your saying that Pilot A has to ACT as PIC, but pilot B can log it as PIC? So Pilot A has to be the one ACTing as PIC but he cannot log PIC because he is not the sole manipulator... right? otherwise they would both be logging PIC
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October 16th, 2007, 15:24
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Quote:
61.31 is an "acting reg." Unless something in 61.51 (the "logging reg") says that you need to figure out is "acting" as PIC (an example is the part that talks about operations requiring more than one pilot), then looking at any acting reg is a mistake. Quote:
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October 17th, 2007, 22:19
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Quote:
You can log PIC without being able to act as PIC. | |
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October 18th, 2007, 00:03
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October 18th, 2007, 08:57
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October 18th, 2007, 10:44
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October 18th, 2007, 23:22
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Quote:
 . So, over 12,500 - that requires the "type" rating for PIC? | |
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October 19th, 2007, 08:23
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Quote:
§ 61.31 (a) Type ratings required. A person who acts as a pilot in command of any of the following aircraft must hold a type rating for that aircraft: (1) Large aircraft (except lighter-than-air). ============================== Look in Part 1 for the definition of "large aircraft." | |
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November 28th, 2007, 19:10
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|  Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? I got another question, Lets say I have multi-engine rating and I go with a buddy who has a multi-engine aircraft but no MEI, Can we both log the time as PIC? The aircraft is a Piper Seneca!
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November 29th, 2007, 16:13
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| Re: Logging PIC in high performance without an endorsement? Quote:
If one puts on a hood and the other elects to ACT as the PIC while the sole manipulater flies, then both can log PIC. This is the same thing that has already been said. Doesn't matter if it single-engine, multi-engine, helicopter, whatever. | |
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