ATP questions

[Fly_Unity]

Ive been studying for my ATP written a bit, and came up with some questions

1; I recently seen a school avertisemt "Looking for CFI's or ATP's to flight instruct". My roommate told me that if you have your ATP you can flight instruct in any plane your rated for, even if you dont have your CFI certificate. Is this true?

2; I see there are several different versions of the ATP written (ATP 135, ATP 121, ATP 121 ext, and ATP 135 ext), Which written should I take? does 135 operations even require a pilot to have an ATP? if so, will taking the 121 ATP work for the 135? or will I have to take both? ( I havnt yet decided if Im going 135 or 121 yet)

3; Will my grade on my ATP written mean anything to anyone? Will employers want to know my score?

4; Also is an ATP certificate valid for life?

Thanks
Ben

[DE727UPS]

1) I believe you can only instruct towards the ATP if you have an ATP.

3) Probably not, but it's not hard to get a good score on the written unless you give it no effort.

4) Yes, the only thing that isn't good for life is a CFI.

[Doug Taylor]

1. Actually, you can instruct towards ATP without an ATP as I did that while I was a CFI with my ex-Korean Air Force students.

2. Take the ATP part 121. Chances are you won't need an ATP for a part-135 job, but you'll certainly need it for a 121 job.

3. Doubtful. "Does applicant have ATP written? (y/n)" Now a good FEX (flight engineer turbojet) score can be a plus if the operator has an aircraft requiring a flight engineer.

4. What DE said.

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by Fly_Unity

2; I see there are several different versions of the ATP written (ATP 135, ATP 121, ATP 121 ext, and ATP 135 ext)

The ATP is the 121 airline transport pilot written. The ATA is the 135 airline transport pilot written. I assume you are seeing the -EX tests in your Gleim software. As far as I know, they are unique to Gleim, with extra questions for study purposes. Don't waste your time with them. You can't go to a testing center and take an "ATP-EX" test.

Which written should I take?

Either the ATP or the ATA will do.

does 135 operations even require a pilot to have an ATP?

Some 135 ops do, yes.

if so, will taking the 121 ATP work for the 135?

Yes. Either the ATP or ATA written will work. It's only a matter of your preference.

[Fly_Unity]

Thanks guys for the replys, I'll re-word my first question...
Can someone who has an ATP Certificate Flight Instruct a student even though he dont have his CFI? I really doubt he can, but my room mate is saying "yes"

Also I have another question, on the FAA Test bank there are several hundred questions on the DC 9's, B727, etc. Are these seriously on the ATP written? or is it only if your taking your ATP flight in one of these planes?

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by Fly_Unity

Also I have another question, on the FAA Test bank there are several hundred questions on the DC 9's, B727, etc. Are these seriously on the ATP written?

Yep. Most of them are easier than they appear at first. The W&B questions are easy, but time consuming. I took it a couple of weeks ago and got a 95. Just use some decent software like Gleim (NOT Dauntless) and you'll be fine.

The flight planning questions are useless. You can work on a single question for 10-15 minutes and not come up with one of the given answers. If you interpolate some figure or read some chart differently than the FAA did, you'll be off by a minute or two from their answer. Luckily, out of the 1300+ questions in the pool, only about 40 of them are the lengthy flight planning type.

[DE727UPS]

"Can someone who has an ATP Certificate Flight Instruct a student even though he dont have his CFI?"

I'm gonna say not just no, but hell no.

If you disagree, look it up in part 61 and convince me.

That's really where these sort of threads should start. Quote part 61, chapter and verse. Then, if it doesn't make sense, ask a question.

Aruging with your roomate with nobody looking at the regs isn't going to get anybody anywhere.

[Fly_Unity]

Ok, Thanks, He was quoting 61.167(b) which states
"An Airline Transport Pilot may instruct
other pilots in air transportation service, Simulators, blah etc"

Just wanted to Clarify.

[DE727UPS]

Yeah, a student pilot working on his PPL isn't in "air transportation service". A guy working on his ATP is.

[AV8R_N8]

for the part 135 ATP written, I had heard that the only aircraft operating/performance questions were on the B1900. I guess it used to be that you were given questions from all the aircraft (B1900, DC-9, B737, B727). Is this really the case for the 135 ATP written?

[Berkut]

Best I can tell, the ATA only has Beech 1900 questions.

The ATP has 727,737, DC-9.

[Clocks]

The way it was explained to me is someone with an ATP can instruct someone as part of their function within a 135 or 121 operation. You can't just walk into your local FBO and start teaching people off the street with only an ATP.

[Polymox]

I took the 135 version 8/8/07 and got a 95%. I got B1900 questions only, although I'd expect the Caravan, King air, and Gulfstream ones would be fair game as well. The flight planning ones were frustrating at first, but I found that if I did all the calculations accurately, I did indeed get an answer that matched the correct answer, plus or minus a few seconds or pounds of fuel. My advice is that if you're answer doesn't match an option well, don't pick the closest, but go back and look for a mistake. This saved me when I took the written.

The performance ones however, were another matter. I don't know who was reading those time, fuel, distance to climb/descend charts and coming up with answers, but they were out of their mind. Best plan for those is figure all three of the answers, then pick the one that matches the curve the best. For example, one might have a time that matches well, but the fuel is way too high. That's a bad answer.

Good luck with it.

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by Polymox

I got B1900 questions only, although I'd expect the Caravan, King air, and Gulfstream ones would be fair game as well.

There's Caravan, King Air, and Gulfstream questions in the pool? I didn't study the 135 much so I guess I missed them.

[Polymox]

The first page in chapter 10 of my Gleim lists 11 flights:

C-208 MDW to BUF
BE-90 DFW to IAH
BE-1900 TUS to LAX
BE-1900 PWK to BUF
BE-1900 PHF to PHL
G-1159 STL to LGA
B-727 LAX to PHX
B-727 BUF to ORD
B-767 MSP to DEN
B-747 LAS to SFO
MD-90 BDL to PHL

The later chapters on Operating/Performance Data don't cover any small planes other than the B1900.