10 hours complex for commercial...

farwellbooth · September 4th, 2003, 16:30

For the complex commercial time should I do some/most/all/none of this with a multi? I'm going to need the multi down the road and our Aztec isn't much more than the complex... It may be too big of a jump for me? I have a feeling I'll need the 10 in the complex to get the plane down and manuevers for the ride and worry about multi later, post cfi... thanks

DE727UPS · September 4th, 2003, 20:32

You could get your commercial multi first, you don't have to do all those crazy commercial manuvers in the twin. Then, get the single engine add on. Do the commerical mans in a 150 or 172, don't waste your money on a 172RG or Arrow...you won't have to fly a complex for your SE commercial since you already proved your complex competency in the twin.

sixpack · September 8th, 2003, 19:25

I did my initial commercial in a multi. Both have merits.

The only drawback to doing the multi-engine first, is that you will need more total multi-time before your checkride.
About 20 hours for an initial multi-commercial.
A multi add-on takes about 8 hours of training.

but there's nothing wrong with getting a lot of multi engine time

raysalmon · September 27th, 2003, 13:20

Hey,

Due to the lack of single-engine complex aircraft around here, I was conducting commercial ASEL complex training in a multi.

That was until they changed the interpretation of the rules. Now you HAVE to use a single engine complex aircraft for the ASEL checkride, whereas before you could use the multi to demonstrate complex proficiency. As a result, you can still use the multi to your 10 hours in, but you're going to need a single complex for the checkride. You could do 8 hours multi and then a couple of single engine complex hours to get proficiency in type and then go take your checkride....it's your choice.

Ray

montanapilot · September 27th, 2003, 15:07

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For the complex commercial time should I do some/most/all/none of this with a multi? I'm going to need the multi down the road and our Aztec isn't much more than the complex... It may be too big of a jump for me? I have a feeling I'll need the 10 in the complex to get the plane down and manuevers for the ride and worry about multi later, post cfi... thanks

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depending on how willing you are to travel to get the complex time Gorge Winds here at Troutdale has an arrow here for $86 an hour plus instruction.

Eagle · September 27th, 2003, 19:03

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You could get your commercial multi first,

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it cost way more in hours to do the comm mulit without the single multi, you need an additionial 10 hrs acting as PIC. and some other Xcnty requirements...

Pain the the butt... I know that is what I did, spent way too much $ on it...

aloft · September 28th, 2003, 13:56

If you do your comm multi first, do you still have to do the maneuvers for the comm single add-on?

MikeD · September 28th, 2003, 13:57

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If you do your comm multi first, do you still have to do the maneuvers for the comm single add-on?

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We had too, but it was somewhat a "gentleman's checkride".

viper548 · October 4th, 2003, 22:56

I did my complex training in the twin. Did the Comm SE checkride in a 172, then took out the twin, did a few landings, emer gear extend, etc. Landed, examiner gave me my Comm SE license. Took off again, did the multi add on, and traded the examiner me SE license for a SE and ME one. Worked out great. The arrow at the flight school was severely overpriced. The examiner had to talk to the FSDO beforehand, but they agreed that If I can fly a complex twin, I can fly a complex single.

raysalmon · October 5th, 2003, 10:17

Unfortunately this type of scenario is no longer available, per Washington HQ policy. A complex single-engine aircraft has to be used for the Comm SE checkride. Anyone able to get away with doing it this way, more power to you. I've tried several times for my students and have been denied ever since the new Commericla PTS came out last August.

Ray

ready2fly · October 6th, 2003, 11:59

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I did my complex training in the twin. Did the Comm SE checkride in a 172, then took out the twin...

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EXACTLY what I'm doing. Just finished my PPMEL/IA rating wtih the complex endorsement. Working on the Comm. SEL rating (albeit in a Warrior) and will be doing the Comm. MEL add-on either the same day or the day after.

September 4th, 2003, 16:30	#1
farwellbooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 316	10 hours complex for commercial... For the complex commercial time should I do some/most/all/none of this with a multi? I'm going to need the multi down the road and our Aztec isn't much more than the complex... It may be too big of a jump for me? I have a feeling I'll need the 10 in the complex to get the plane down and manuevers for the ride and worry about multi later, post cfi... thanks

September 4th, 2003, 20:32	#2
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,517	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... You could get your commercial multi first, you don't have to do all those crazy commercial manuvers in the twin. Then, get the single engine add on. Do the commerical mans in a 150 or 172, don't waste your money on a 172RG or Arrow...you won't have to fly a complex for your SE commercial since you already proved your complex competency in the twin.

September 8th, 2003, 19:25	#3
sixpack Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 277	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... I did my initial commercial in a multi. Both have merits. The only drawback to doing the multi-engine first, is that you will need more total multi-time before your checkride. About 20 hours for an initial multi-commercial. A multi add-on takes about 8 hours of training. but there's nothing wrong with getting a lot of multi engine time

September 27th, 2003, 13:20	#4
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... Hey, Due to the lack of single-engine complex aircraft around here, I was conducting commercial ASEL complex training in a multi. That was until they changed the interpretation of the rules. Now you HAVE to use a single engine complex aircraft for the ASEL checkride, whereas before you could use the multi to demonstrate complex proficiency. As a result, you can still use the multi to your 10 hours in, but you're going to need a single complex for the checkride. You could do 8 hours multi and then a couple of single engine complex hours to get proficiency in type and then go take your checkride....it's your choice. Ray

September 27th, 2003, 15:07	#5
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,640	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... [ QUOTE ] For the complex commercial time should I do some/most/all/none of this with a multi? I'm going to need the multi down the road and our Aztec isn't much more than the complex... It may be too big of a jump for me? I have a feeling I'll need the 10 in the complex to get the plane down and manuevers for the ride and worry about multi later, post cfi... thanks [/ QUOTE ] depending on how willing you are to travel to get the complex time Gorge Winds here at Troutdale has an arrow here for $86 an hour plus instruction.

September 27th, 2003, 19:03	#6
Eagle Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,272	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... [ QUOTE ] You could get your commercial multi first, [/ QUOTE ] it cost way more in hours to do the comm mulit without the single multi, you need an additionial 10 hrs acting as PIC. and some other Xcnty requirements... Pain the the butt... I know that is what I did, spent way too much $ on it...

September 28th, 2003, 13:56	#7
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,849	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... If you do your comm multi first, do you still have to do the maneuvers for the comm single add-on?

September 28th, 2003, 13:57	#8
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... [ QUOTE ] If you do your comm multi first, do you still have to do the maneuvers for the comm single add-on? [/ QUOTE ] We had too, but it was somewhat a "gentleman's checkride".

October 4th, 2003, 22:56	#9
viper548 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 814	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... I did my complex training in the twin. Did the Comm SE checkride in a 172, then took out the twin, did a few landings, emer gear extend, etc. Landed, examiner gave me my Comm SE license. Took off again, did the multi add on, and traded the examiner me SE license for a SE and ME one. Worked out great. The arrow at the flight school was severely overpriced. The examiner had to talk to the FSDO beforehand, but they agreed that If I can fly a complex twin, I can fly a complex single.

October 5th, 2003, 10:17	#10
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... Unfortunately this type of scenario is no longer available, per Washington HQ policy. A complex single-engine aircraft has to be used for the Comm SE checkride. Anyone able to get away with doing it this way, more power to you. I've tried several times for my students and have been denied ever since the new Commericla PTS came out last August. Ray

October 6th, 2003, 11:59	#11
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,143	Re: 10 hours complex for commercial... [ QUOTE ] I did my complex training in the twin. Did the Comm SE checkride in a 172, then took out the twin... [/ QUOTE ] EXACTLY what I'm doing. Just finished my PPMEL/IA rating wtih the complex endorsement. Working on the Comm. SEL rating (albeit in a Warrior) and will be doing the Comm. MEL add-on either the same day or the day after.

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