Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates

B767Driver · July 11th, 2007, 16:57

Does anyone know if exemption 3585 applies to an ETP alternate? My ops manual is awfully vague about this. But I am pretty certain that Ops Specs exemption 3585 only applies when dispatching to the destination and respective destination alternates.

I don't believe it applies to takeoff or ETP or any other alternate weather requirements.

Anyone have comments?

Doug Taylor · July 11th, 2007, 17:04

Good question. I'll email Willie Dorna (JFK LCA) and see what he thinks.

Cptnchia · July 11th, 2007, 23:27

I am under the impression that ETP alternates are not treated the same as departure or arrival alternates. This came from a discussion on the way to Bermuda one day. ILM is the ETP alternate, but as someone who actually lives in ILM, I felt that CHS was a mo' better place to go. The captain, (who was also a LCA,) agreed and said that ETPs are really only for planning.

BobDDuck · July 12th, 2007, 00:03

3585 does NOT apply to take off alternates according to our POI.

What's an ETP?

DE727UPS · July 12th, 2007, 00:11

ETP = Equal Time Point

Doug Taylor · July 12th, 2007, 00:12

Like EINN, LPLA, CYQX, etc!

BobDDuck · July 12th, 2007, 11:40

So the best I can figure, the number of abbreviations a pilot has is directly proportional to their pay scale?

(thanks Don)

Doug Taylor · July 12th, 2007, 17:44

Here goes:

Quote:

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you but I wanted to make sure my answer was the correct one. I confirmed it with ATL and we all agree that NO, 3585 cannot be used with ETP alternates.

One thing that may and is confusing is FOM page 5-1.4 "EXTENDED OVERWATER DISPATCH", may seem to be part of the 3585 explanation but it really is not part of it. That statement is separate from 3585.

Hope this helps and please feel free to email or call me at any time.

B767Driver · July 12th, 2007, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Here goes:

Thanks.

July 11th, 2007, 16:57	#1
B767Driver Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,886	Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates Does anyone know if exemption 3585 applies to an ETP alternate? My ops manual is awfully vague about this. But I am pretty certain that Ops Specs exemption 3585 only applies when dispatching to the destination and respective destination alternates. I don't believe it applies to takeoff or ETP or any other alternate weather requirements. Anyone have comments?

July 11th, 2007, 17:04	#2
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,186 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates Good question. I'll email Willie Dorna (JFK LCA) and see what he thinks. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

July 11th, 2007, 23:27	#3
Cptnchia Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Mecca Posts: 729	Re: Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates I am under the impression that ETP alternates are not treated the same as departure or arrival alternates. This came from a discussion on the way to Bermuda one day. ILM is the ETP alternate, but as someone who actually lives in ILM, I felt that CHS was a mo' better place to go. The captain, (who was also a LCA,) agreed and said that ETPs are really only for planning. __________________ "Consideration is an extension of safety. It begins with the first contact with our passengers, no matter where this is—reservations, porter, ticket agent or wherever." C.E. Woolman

July 12th, 2007, 00:03	#4
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,734	Re: Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates 3585 does NOT apply to take off alternates according to our POI. What's an ETP? __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

July 12th, 2007, 00:11	#5
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,546	Re: Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates ETP = Equal Time Point __________________ Click here to see how I became a UPS pilot http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/65/132/

July 12th, 2007, 00:12	#6
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,186 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates Like EINN, LPLA, CYQX, etc! __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

July 12th, 2007, 11:40	#7
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,734	Re: Exemption 3585 & ETP Alternates So the best I can figure, the number of abbreviations a pilot has is directly proportional to their pay scale? (thanks Don) __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

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