C172 counter balance weights

[moxiepilot]

I'm planning on holding a preflight groundschool for some of the various aircraft in our fleet and was wondering what you all can come up with. These students already know the basics of preflighting and this is to get more in detail of things commonly overlooked.

One question though, with the counter balance weights on the outboard part of the ailerons what are you looking for? How are they attached? What are you looking for when you preflight them?

Also, I plan on bringing up the whys behind the what is this, so I'm looking for a good arsenal for questions beyond the average part 61 private preflight.

What questions would you ask an advanced student about the preflight?

[bwade210]

A great thing that my last instructor did for me was he picked up the engine cowling and would point to something and ask "whats this?" It made me think more about whats inside and what it does.

[tgrayson]

Originally Posted by moxiepilot

One question though, with the counter balance weights on the outboard part of the ailerons what are you looking for?

That they're there.

Originally Posted by moxiepilot

Also, I plan on bringing up the whys behind the what is this, so I'm looking for a good arsenal for questions beyond the average part 61 private preflight.

Explain why the counterweights are necessary.

[flyguy]

As for the counter weights, just feel them and make sure they're not comming loose.

[dbakeg00]

Originally Posted by flyguy

As for the counter weights, just feel them and make sure they're not comming loose.

Agreed...if they were loose they could impead the aileron travel..not a situation i would want to be in

[PacMan4x4]

MOXIE...they are riveted on and there's not much to them, other than ensuring they are secure and actually there. Just like the folks before me had mentioned, make sure they aren't loose to impede movement of aileron.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by moxiepilot

Also, I plan on bringing up the whys behind the what is this, so I'm looking for a good arsenal for questions beyond the average part 61 private preflight.

Is this so that they will see just how much more you know, or because they really want and need to know that much more?

[tgrayson]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Is this so that they will see just how much more you know, or because they really want and need to know that much more?

It seems unkind to me to suggest that those who are trying to do an above average job of merely having selfish motives. While this may occasionally be true, it is also disheartening to those who are trying, in their own small way, to make the world a better place. Much more charitable, in my opinion, to assume that motives are pure until proven otherwise.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by tgrayson

It seems unkind to me to suggest that those who are trying to do an above average job of merely having selfish motives.

It would be unkind to suggest that he has selfish motives. However, I asked a simple question - he has the option of choosing either one!

While this may occasionally be true, it is also disheartening to those who are trying, in their own small way, to make the world a better place.

I'm not arguing with you.

Much more charitable, in my opinion, to assume that motives are pure until proven otherwise.

I've never been exactly charitable, now . . . so, I won't go that far . . . hehehe.

[tgrayson]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

However, I asked a simple question -

It was syntactically a question, but semantically a statement.

If you asked your girlfriend, "Are you a ####?", I doubt your defense "It was only a question" would get you very far.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by tgrayson

If you asked your girlfriend, "Are you a ####?", I doubt your defense "It was only a question" would get you very far.

You're right - she'd be upset. Now, explaining the bruised lip to my wife? That's really going to be difficult . . .

Anyway, you're right about the "way" that I phrased the question. I did so for a reason. The poster didn't say, "I'd like to make sure that I can teach them as much as I can . . . ". He said that he wanted to make sure that he had a good arsenal of questions.

Now, I don't know about some, but my first post-secondary education was in the art of killing. I think arsenal, I think attack.

Why attack the students?

Do you see why I worded it the way that I did?

[tgrayson]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Now, I don't know about some, but my first post-secondary education was in the art of killing. I think arsenal, I think attack. Why attack the students? Do you see why I worded it the way that I did?

Yes, I do. Interesting how the baggage a word carries will vary from person to person.

Your intent behind the question might be as follows: "May sure that your questions are designed to educate and not humiliate your student."

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by tgrayson

Yes, I do. Interesting how the baggage a word carries will vary from person to person.

Your intent behind the question might be as follows: "May sure that your questions are designed to educate and not humiliate your student."

Exactly!

We're saying the same thing, and arguing about the way we're saying it!

[moxiepilot]

sorry been away for a few days.

no lloyd, my intentions aren't to puff out my chest. I expect a variety of students to attend. This is not a training college, mostly once a monthers and so I'm going to have folks who don't know what a propeller is to those who ask highly technical questions, questions I don't know the answers to.

For thoses students who don't know the difference between a prop and a spinner, it's going to cover the basics, but for those who know a lot, I want to have some challenging questions to make it interesting.

I see what happens when a crappy instructor teaches,and having been around my job for a long time I usually have to undo all that crap. Students have also humbled me enough to not have to feel good about myself.

But I want you to know that I always APPRECIATE you asking because of the fact there is going to be a dumbass instructor who needs to feel good and needs a reality check before "educating" his/her students.