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Old November 17th, 2006, 01:58   #1
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so i'm supposed to be taking my comm ride on monday in a single and then a multi add on at the same time, the multi counting for the complex portion. I took a long dual night x-c to Reno this last year in the twin with my instructor. I was wondering if needed a long dual night x-c in a single engine before I am able to take my checkride. Thanks

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so i'm supposed to be taking my comm ride on monday in a single and then a multi add on at the same time, the multi counting for the complex portion. I took a long dual night x-c to Reno this last year in the twin with my instructor. I was wondering if needed a long dual night x-c in a single engine before I am able to take my checkride. Thanks
The requirements for a single engine Commercial are:



One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and


I'm also surprised that your examiner will allow the multi to count towards your complex proficiency. What if you don't pass your multi side? You'll have a Commercial with no test as to complex proficiency. Or else you'll fail both. I also wonder if it's correct that when taking two checkrides at once, the total test is less than the sum of its parts. Doesn't seem right.
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It seems like he should take his commercial multi and then single engine add on as the second ride, I bet that's what he means.

Why would complex multi time not court towards a single engine commercial?
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Why would complex multi time not court towards a single engine commercial?
For the flight instructor certificate, the Examiner's Handbook explicitly says that you cannot demonstrate single-engine complex proficiency using a multi-engine airplane.

It doesn't say that for the Commercial, but I thought there was a FAQ that says that. I don't have my refererences with me.
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I'm talkin' about the 10 hours complex time needed for a single engine commercial. Guys have been doing that in complex multi's for years. You think that's wrong?
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It seems like he should take his commercial multi and then single engine add on as the second ride, I bet that's what he means.

Why would complex multi time not court towards a single engine commercial?
It does if the SE is an add-on. Read the PTS.
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I'm talkin' about the 10 hours complex time needed for a single engine commercial. Guys have been doing that in complex multi's for years. You think that's wrong?
So far, we weren't discussing that, we were talking about the checkride and the x/c requirement. The x/c requirement says it must be single engine.

As for the complex training, the regulations don't say explicitly that it must be in a single-engine airplane, but it does reference 61.127(b)(1), which is the area of operations for a single-engine class rating. It certainly seems arguable that the training must occur in a complex single. I don't know off-hand what the FAQ's say about it.
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Doing the complex in a multi prior to the commercial initial in a single?
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