Clearance on Request

[B767Driver]

"Clearance on request" is phraseology used by clearance delivery or ground control to request an IFR clearance from a controlling agency. It is not meant for use by a pilot requesting his IFR clearance during initial call-up. I don't know about you...but for me to hear a pilot state "LGA Clearance, N12345 clearance on request to RDU" is akin to scratching fingernails on a chalkboard. Anyway...heard it twice this week.

[greaper007]

I've never heard anyone say that. The only usage of clearance on request I've heard is from ground telling us that they don't have our clearance yet, usually followed by permission to taxi. Which is then follow by a mad rush to write the clearance down while I try to taxi.....

[FlyingNole]

Originally Posted by greaper007

I've never heard anyone say that. The only usage of clearance on request I've heard is from ground telling us that they don't have our clearance yet, usually followed by permission to taxi. Which is then follow by a mad rush to write the clearance down while I try to taxi.....

There is no rule that you have to taxi as soon as they start reading off the taxi directions to you....And where are you that you need to write it down? Only place I've been so far where I sometimes need to write down the taxi instructions is LGA.

[averyrm]

I think he ment write down the IFR clearance.

[B767Driver]

Originally Posted by FlyingNole

....And where are you that you need to write it down? Only place I've been so far where I sometimes need to write down the taxi instructions is LGA.

I fly to O'hare infrequently these days...so when I'm there waiting for my taxi instructions I'm waiting like a shortstop ready to field a hot ground ball. If you screw it up...you might as well come back the next day...'cause you won't get service again any time soon.

[FlyingNole]

Good point

[meritflyer]

The penalty box baby!

[fish314]

Originally Posted by greaper007

I've never heard anyone say that. The only usage of clearance on request I've heard is from ground telling us that they don't have our clearance yet, usually followed by permission to taxi. Which is then follow by a mad rush to write the clearance down while I try to taxi.....

I always say that, usually along the lines of "IFR to ABC, clearance on request, ready to copy." Wasn't aware that it was wrong, but then again, I'm just copying off what my instructors said, and I'm sure they are doing the same. What does everyone else say?

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by fish314

I always say that, usually along the lines of "IFR to ABC, clearance on request, ready to copy." Wasn't aware that it was wrong, but then again, I'm just copying off what my instructors said, and I'm sure they are doing the same. What does everyone else say?

Clearance, callsign, IFR DULLES, information ALPHA

I've always been a fan of keeping it short, especially at busy airports. It was always frustrating during peak push time to have a less experienced pilot burn a bunch of airtime asking for a clearance. We all have to learn, but is still frustrating when 60 a/c are trying to get their clearances.

[MDPilot]

Originally Posted by fish314

I always say that, usually along the lines of "IFR to ABC, clearance on request, ready to copy." Wasn't aware that it was wrong, but then again, I'm just copying off what my instructors said, and I'm sure they are doing the same. What does everyone else say?

I think it's a Air Force thing, that's the way I was taught back in UPT in 1980. Never had a clc delivery question it or correct it in 26 years, though.

[fish314]

I agree, MDPilot, must be an AF thing. But then again I don't fly into too many really busy places that often. Usually just AF bases, and a few medium size civilian fields. Never O'hare or JFK or whatever.

[Doug Taylor]

Two big pet peeves:

"Departure, Airliner 1234 WITH YOU five thousand climbing one zero thousand"

and

"Salt Lake Center, S'UP, Airliner 1234..."

Grrr. "with you" doesn't mean jack and "Wassup/S'up", while ok in person, makes you sound like a complete moron on the radio.

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Two big pet peeves:

"Departure, Airliner 1234 WITH YOU five thousand climbing one zero thousand"

and

"Salt Lake Center, S'UP, Airliner 1234..."

Grrr. "with you" doesn't mean jack and "Wassup/S'up", while ok in person, makes you sound like a complete moron on the radio.

Awww i think it sounds so cool when pilots say WITH YOU.

I sometimes will turn on my scanner just to listen and i hear all the east bound flights climb out over my house getting their ok'ed for higher altitude and hear the common "United 234 heavy WITH YOU climbing 11,000 for FL290.

[SteveC]

"With you" grates on my nerves. Probably a personal thing.

Maybe the "Clearance on Request" as an initial call from the pilot is a military thing. The only time that I hear it is when I call in for my clearance and the controller doesn't have it right there in front of them. When they have to dig in the system or make a call to the controlling agency to get the clearance they will often respond back to my initial call with "clearance on request". I understand that as the verbal shorthand equivalent to "stand by, I know what you want, I don't have it, I'm finding it for you and will call you back when I get it".

[Ian J]

No source, but I believe this is accurate:

"Clearance on Request" indicates the controller is requesting your IFR clearance from either the computer or from another controller. It does not mean that you, the pilot, should request it to be read to you.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by fish314

... must be an AF thing.

It IS taught by the Air Force.

It IS incorrect.

It WAS a hard habit to break.


(A lot of people don't realize yet that it's incorrect, so they have no incentive to change. Others have learned that it's incorrect and just don't care.)





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[TFaudree_ERAU]

I thought it was only a problem on VATSIM

[Chris_Ford]

What are your thoughts on airliners getting their clearance and saying "IFR to___". Saw someone ranting about this once because "Oh, I thought you were VFR to ORD today!"

[Kingairer]

Clearance, Sup, Airline 123 Instruments to FLL. Works everytime

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Kingairer

Clearance, Sup, Airline 123 Instruments to FLL. Works everytime

Curses! So you're the guy who calls three planes back and says, "Airliner 123 ready for takeoff, in sequence"!

[FlyingNole]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

What are your thoughts on airliners getting their clearance and saying "IFR to___". Saw someone ranting about this once because "Oh, I thought you were VFR to ORD today!"

Good question Chris...Maybe someone can "learns" me on this. When departing from an uncontrolled field, I have to call up an approach control facility. So I usually say something along the lines of "Potomac, Colgan 4914, IFR to Dulles." I haven't thought of what else to say, but I figure it requires that since you are making an initial call and letting the facility know you're looking for an IFR Clrnc. I guess you could say "....Colgan 4914 looking for clearence to Dulles."

When at a controlled facility with some form of clrnc dlvry, I just say "XXX Clearence, Colgan 4977 to Boston" that's usually the drill with most people it seems
Your thoughts?

[BobDDuck]

While your opspecs may support VFR routings chances are you are going to be IFR. Either way if they have a strip with your flight number on it they are going to give it to whether it says IFR or VFR on it.

[FlyingNole]

Yeah, we can do VFR

[seagull]

Originally Posted by FlyingNole

Yeah, we can do VFR

What type aircraft?

[Kingairer]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Curses! So you're the guy who calls three planes back and says, "Airliner 123 ready for takeoff, in sequence"!

Gota letem know youre ready dude...Alot of times they taxi everyone else out of my way.