Clearance on Request

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

While we are on the subject...

Just flew into BHM. Skywest was right behind us. Their call up to approah

"YO, Bham... Skywest XXX 6000 pimping Yankee."

I'm all for friendlyness and sounding human on the radio, but that was a little absurd.

I've been told I say "Hey" (which really comes out sounding like eh with my northern accent) before every single one of my calls, like,

"Eh ah socal approach Amflight XXXX 1,500 climbing 4,000 210 assigned"

Nobody ever said anything about it, and I didn't even realize it until I started flying on the west coast; the home of super enunciation. Forth Worth and Cleveland Centers never had any problems understanding me, but socal can't figure out what I'm saying with my accent down here eh.

[mbtrebbe]

i would say in a jet its assumed you are IFR and so if you are VFR you should clarify other than that clearance to XXX works just fine. what are your guys thoughts on callsgin and squak only readback? On the ATIS at LAX it tells you to read back callsign and squak only, if its a clearance you are familiar with that you can give the controller before they give it to you (that gets a few chuckles) why waste everyones time reading back the whole thing? i dont wanna come across as cocky or anything by just reading back the squak. i apologize if that made no sense.

[TaterSalad]

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

i would say in a jet its assumed you are IFR and so if you are VFR you should clarify other than that clearance to XXX works just fine. what are your guys thoughts on callsgin and squak only readback? On the ATIS at LAX it tells you to read back callsign and squak only, if its a clearance you are familiar with that you can give the controller before they give it to you (that gets a few chuckles) why waste everyones time reading back the whole thing? i dont wanna come across as cocky or anything by just reading back the squak. i apologize if that made no sense.

CLT's ATIS says the same thing, "readback callsign and transponder code only unless you have a question". Saves time on the frequency, when there are 20 guys trying to get clearances during a push.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

what are your guys thoughts on callsgin and squak only readback? On the ATIS at LAX it tells you to read back callsign and squak only,...

I'm in favor of following instructions.

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

... if its a clearance you are familiar with that you can give the controller before they give it to you (that gets a few chuckles) why waste everyones time reading back the whole thing? i dont wanna come across as cocky or anything by just reading back the squak. i apologize if that made no sense.

Either you're confused about the procedure, or you haven't communicated well.


Here's the procedure:

You didn't get your ATC clearance via a PDC, so you must call Clearance Delivery on the radio. You say, "Smitty 50, request clearance to Boston Logan."

ATC doesn't have it yet, so he says, "Smitty 50, Clearance on request"

Moments later, CD says, "Smitty 50, clearance availaible, advise ready to copy."


You pick up your pen and paper and say, "Smitty 50, ready to copy."


CD says, "Smitty 50, cleared to The Boston Logan Airport via LAXX5 TRM Flight planned route, maintain 5,000, expect Flight Level 2-4-0 ten minutes after departure, departure on 123.4, Squawk 4717."


You heard it, you wrote it, you understand it, you say, "Smitty 50, 4-7-1-7" You're done.


Or... if you didn't get the part about the departure transition, or the altitude, or the... ANY part of the clearance, talk to him about it. Make sure you understand it.


Is that what you were thinkin'?





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[mbtrebbe]

i just rambled and didnt communicate well. I hear the airline guys readback the squak only but i fly for a charter company and most of the time we dont go into the main 121 airports. I read back the squak only one day cuz it was a clearance i could readback in my sleep and the capt. i was with told me that sounded cocky like i was too lazy to read the whole thing back. At most airports it doesnt say anything on the ATIS about what to read back so most of the time i read it all back. Wondering if any charter/corporate pilots have any insight.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

I read back the squak only one day cuz it was a clearance i could readback in my sleep and the capt. i was with told me that sounded cocky like i was too lazy to read the whole thing back. At most airports it doesnt say anything on the ATIS about what to read back so most of the time i read it all back.

Absent instructions to the contrary (as at LAX or CLT), you should read back the entire clearance. If the instructions are to read back only the squawk, it's neither lazy or cocky to do so. It's just proper.


And that has nothing to do with Part 121, Part 135, Part 91, or any other part.











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[FlyEDouglas]

Not to be a Negative-Nancy but back to the "I can't stand it when..." stuff...
I've spent a total of about 3 years working the fuel line at 2 of the busiest uncontrolled airports in the states of VA/TN. As a result, from the start of my flying career I had a unicom radio strapped to my hip all day everyday. So I've got LOTS of radio pet-peeves. I shall try to list them below:
-"Aaaaaaaand Nashville approach, cessna XXX."
-"with you"
-guestimating the runway number "short-final rwy...24" (only rwy 7/25 exists)
-calling clear of the active when you're clearly not past the hold short line.
-Or calling "ClearING the active." ...DUH!
-"piper XXX, Taking the active" Hey leave that there! I need to use it.
-why are the airline pilots the hardest to understand on the radio?
-people stepping on others' transmissions.

More to come later I'm sure. : )

[seagull]

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

i just rambled and didnt communicate well. I hear the airline guys readback the squak only but i fly for a charter company and most of the time we dont go into the main 121 airports. I read back the squak only one day cuz it was a clearance i could readback in my sleep and the capt. i was with told me that sounded cocky like i was too lazy to read the whole thing back. At most airports it doesnt say anything on the ATIS about what to read back so most of the time i read it all back. Wondering if any charter/corporate pilots have any insight.

I don't think that's a good idea, but I did once file the same thing so many times that I started to call ground with "ready to readback"!

[mbtrebbe]

just boppin around southern california they are TEC routes. depending what type of plane you are in depends what route and its not gonna differ.

[MusketeerMan]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Curses! So you're the guy who calls three planes back and says, "Airliner 123 ready for takeoff, in sequence"!

That's as good as when there are 5 Cessna's in the run up area at KSAC and the King Air or Citation comes up the taxiway and requests a clearance for takeoff when they have no way of getting to the runway...

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

just boppin around southern california they are TEC routes. depending what type of plane you are in depends what route and its not gonna differ.

I fly the exact same route, every single day, at the exact same time (except for when I get radar vectors-direct!! ). My clearance out of BNA and FTY are the exact same, every single day. I still read back the whole thing.

[Kingairer]

Some airports will finish the clearance by saying, respond with Squawk only.

[mbtrebbe]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

That's as good as when there are 5 Cessna's in the run up area at KSAC and the King Air or Citation comes up the taxiway and requests a clearance for takeoff when they have no way of getting to the runway...

in that case all the other planes shouldnt be blockin the runway. dont block it unless you are number one. when there are people climbin out at 250 it makes no sense to launch someone climbin out at 60 knots in front of em.

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

I fly the exact same route, every single day, at the exact same time (except for when I get radar vectors-direct!! ). My clearance out of BNA and FTY are the exact same, every single day. I still read back the whole thing.

Sometimes if they're really busy up in Chicago they will just give me a code and thats it.
The only thing I hate from pilots is the "on the meter" stuff. Irks me to no end when a regional guy does that.

[mbtrebbe]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

Sometimes if they're really busy up in Chicago they will just give me a code and thats it.
The only thing I hate from pilots is the "on the meter" stuff. Irks me to no end when a regional guy does that.

i would say when a guy in a 172 says "we've got em on TCAS" is worse. Cuz its not even TCAS. Its TIS... lol

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

i would say when a guy in a 172 says "we've got em on TCAS" is worse. Cuz its not even TCAS. Its TIS... lol

The worst is an airline guy that replies to a descent or visual approach clearance with, "Here we go".