logging complex, not rated...

[EatSleepFly]

Yes, you can log both.

[MikeD]

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So.. ok. Let me see if I have this correct, because this is my exact situation:

1) I went back in my logbook. The first 7-8 hours of my commercial maneuvers training was done in a Piper Arrow. My CFI did not give me PIC time. But I was the sole manipulator of the controls and at the time was Private Pilot ASEL, so legally I could have logged PIC time. Yes?

2) Ditto on about 4 hours of dual recieved in a Super Cub (tailwheel) recieved while a Private Pilot. Yes??

I've read this thread with great interest, and thanks for all the opinions also the references to the FAR's. My (evolving) philosophy is that if I can legally log something I am going to, because I CAN and its a record of my experience.

Now, if I use a particular situation as a CRUTCH to build time, then that is the type of thing I imagine would be sniffed out at an interview later on. I figure that if I get passed up for a job 'cuz 1/3rd of my multi time is a bunch of .6 hr repositioning legs with a Part 135 operator, then I get whats NOT coming to me


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For both the tailwheel and HP time, were you signed off by the IP IAW 14 CFR 61.31f.i.ii and i.ii.iii.iiii? Excerpts:

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f) Additional training required for operating high-performance airplanes.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, no person may act
as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane (an airplane with an
engine of more than 200 horsepower), unless the person has--
(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized
instructor in a high-performance airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight
training device that is representative of a high-performance airplane, and
has been found proficient in the operation and systems of the airplane; and
(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an
authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a
high-performance airplane.
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(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes. (1)
Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as
pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and
logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane
and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized
instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel
airplane. The flight training must include at least the following the
maneuvers and procedures:
(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such
landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures.
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Now the way I'm reading these is that one can't log the time as PIC in the aircraft until after they've received not only the training, but the logbook endorsements as well. That's how I'm interperting it. If I'm interperting it correctly, any flight time logged on a date before the date of a IP signoff wouldn't look good.

I could be interperting it incorrectly, but that's how it reads to me.

From Redding, Ca? I used to be based some summers when I was fighting fires out there.

MD

[bluelake]

MikeD,

Uh-oh. I think you just brought us all back to the ACT versus LOG debate. Your FAR references contain the seminal phrase "no person may ACT...". My situation refers to the logging criteria only.

Yes, I'm in Redding. Fire fighting is a big deal around here. Did you work for the USFS or Cal CDF?? I've had a few lucky times where I was flying around here and looking DOWN on a big air attack Hercules bomber flying under me.

DeanR

[MikeD]

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MikeD,

Uh-oh. I think you just brought us all back to the ACT versus LOG debate. Your FAR references contain the seminal phrase "no person may ACT...". My situation refers to the logging criteria only.

Yes, I'm in Redding. Fire fighting is a big deal around here. Did you work for the USFS or Cal CDF?? I've had a few lucky times where I was flying around here and looking DOWN on a big air attack Hercules bomber flying under me.

DeanR

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Yeah, you may be right, I think I've dragged us down that act vs log cliff again. hehe

USFS was me. Keep in mind the last time you looked down and saw a Herc. Other than the ANG birds, the early A and B model Hercs are grounded for firefighting use following N130HP that lost it's wings last year.