When to go missed?

FOD · July 16th, 2005, 21:11

For the life of me I can't remember when you need to go missed on an NDB approach, I'm talking about how many degrees off?

E_Dawg · July 16th, 2005, 21:27

why the hell would you want to do something like shoot an ndb approach?

JEP · July 16th, 2005, 21:49

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why the hell would you want to do something like shoot an ndb approach?

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Word....If that's the only approach they have and it's actually IMC, I don't want to be there.

Good thing my plane doesn't have teh equipment req'd for that.

SteveC · July 16th, 2005, 22:28

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why the hell would you want to do something like shoot an ndb approach?

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Word....If that's the only approach they have and it's actually IMC, I don't want to be there.

Good thing my plane doesn't have teh equipment req'd for that.

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I'm not sure why you guys are so gun-shy on the NDB approaches. Yeah, they are not necessarily real accurate (when compared to GPS for example), but they really aren't that difficult and when performed properly are just as safe as any other approach. There are times when they are the only game in town, and if you're getting paid to get the job done (safely, I might add) then you should be willing and capable of performing "on demand".

Recent NDB approach.

JEP · July 16th, 2005, 22:34

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There are times when they are the only game in town, and if you're getting paid to get the job done (safely, I might add) then you should be willing and capable of performing "on demand".

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Therein lies the key........getting paid. If I am getting paid of course I would shoot the NDB, but it will be my last choice of approaches. If that is all they have, Oh well then we have no choice. I'm just saying it is not going to be my first choice. That's all...Nothing more, nothing less.

E_Dawg · July 16th, 2005, 22:38

I was kidding steve. anyways I think the answer your looking for is 10 degrees. although the better answer may be when you are no longer established and stable on the approach.

Sig · August 3rd, 2005, 19:17

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Therein lies the key........getting paid. If I am getting paid of course I would shoot the NDB, but it will be my last choice of approaches. If that is all they have, Oh well then we have no choice. I'm just saying it is not going to be my first choice. That's all...Nothing more, nothing less.

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DING! You're correct!

I never shot an NDB approach in an airplane (I went to ATP a thousand years ago...), but flew a billion of them by myself in the AST300.

Wouldn't you know that the first flight as a bona fide peelot in a PBaron was into BTR- and I didn't have a GPS on the plane? Shot many, many NDB approaches in that plane after that. Great way to get to the runway, very rewarding.

Got paid to fly that machine into some very... desolate... places, which only had an NDB approach published. Life is interesting enough, but fly a full procedure NDB approach after getting cleared from CENTER with lightning around, UGH.

Never went missed, either! Runway was always where they said it would be, and WHEN! For some reason, you pay really close attention to MSA and the plan for the missed on them.

PanJet · August 3rd, 2005, 20:47

I believe it's 5 degrees off course, although holding five degrees on an NDB, especially with a nice crosswind is like 500+ yard sharpshooting with a rifle. At least for me it is.

mtsu_av8er · August 3rd, 2005, 22:24

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I believe it's 5 degrees off course, although holding five degrees on an NDB, especially with a nice crosswind is like 500+ yard sharpshooting with a rifle.

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That's easy, my friend! Any 17 year-old Marine Corps recruit can hit a target center mass at 500 years!!

PanJet · August 3rd, 2005, 23:16

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I believe it's 5 degrees off course, although holding five degrees on an NDB, especially with a nice crosswind is like 500+ yard sharpshooting with a rifle.

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That's easy, my friend! Any 17 year-old Marine Corps recruit can hit a target center mass at 500 years!!

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Ok, well, I've never been able to perfectly steady a rifle (I'm not military either) and haven't been that great with them, which probably explains my NDB approach precision.

Besides, I was referring to targets the size of a small fist.

July 16th, 2005, 21:11	#1
FOD Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 213	When to go missed? For the life of me I can't remember when you need to go missed on an NDB approach, I'm talking about how many degrees off?

July 16th, 2005, 21:27	#2
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,170	Re: When to go missed? why the hell would you want to do something like shoot an ndb approach?

July 16th, 2005, 21:49	#3
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,727 Blog Entries: 1	Re: When to go missed? [ QUOTE ] why the hell would you want to do something like shoot an ndb approach? [/ QUOTE ] Word....If that's the only approach they have and it's actually IMC, I don't want to be there. Good thing my plane doesn't have teh equipment req'd for that.

July 16th, 2005, 22:28	#4
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,483	Re: When to go missed? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why the hell would you want to do something like shoot an ndb approach? [/ QUOTE ] Word....If that's the only approach they have and it's actually IMC, I don't want to be there. Good thing my plane doesn't have teh equipment req'd for that. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure why you guys are so gun-shy on the NDB approaches. Yeah, they are not necessarily real accurate (when compared to GPS for example), but they really aren't that difficult and when performed properly are just as safe as any other approach. There are times when they are the only game in town, and if you're getting paid to get the job done (safely, I might add) then you should be willing and capable of performing "on demand". Recent NDB approach.

July 16th, 2005, 22:34	#5
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,727 Blog Entries: 1	Re: When to go missed? [ QUOTE ] There are times when they are the only game in town, and if you're getting paid to get the job done (safely, I might add) then you should be willing and capable of performing "on demand". [/ QUOTE ] Therein lies the key........getting paid. If I am getting paid of course I would shoot the NDB, but it will be my last choice of approaches. If that is all they have, Oh well then we have no choice. I'm just saying it is not going to be my first choice. That's all...Nothing more, nothing less.

July 16th, 2005, 22:38	#6
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,170	Re: When to go missed? I was kidding steve. anyways I think the answer your looking for is 10 degrees. although the better answer may be when you are no longer established and stable on the approach.

August 3rd, 2005, 19:17	#7
Sig Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ocean City, MD Posts: 192	Re: When to go missed? [ QUOTE ] Therein lies the key........getting paid. If I am getting paid of course I would shoot the NDB, but it will be my last choice of approaches. If that is all they have, Oh well then we have no choice. I'm just saying it is not going to be my first choice. That's all...Nothing more, nothing less. [/ QUOTE ] DING! You're correct! I never shot an NDB approach in an airplane (I went to ATP a thousand years ago...), but flew a billion of them by myself in the AST300. Wouldn't you know that the first flight as a bona fide peelot in a PBaron was into BTR- and I didn't have a GPS on the plane? Shot many, many NDB approaches in that plane after that. Great way to get to the runway, very rewarding. Got paid to fly that machine into some very... desolate... places, which only had an NDB approach published. Life is interesting enough, but fly a full procedure NDB approach after getting cleared from CENTER with lightning around, UGH. Never went missed, either! Runway was always where they said it would be, and WHEN! For some reason, you pay really close attention to MSA and the plan for the missed on them.

August 3rd, 2005, 20:47	#8
PanJet Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WA Posts: 556	Re: When to go missed? I believe it's 5 degrees off course, although holding five degrees on an NDB, especially with a nice crosswind is like 500+ yard sharpshooting with a rifle. At least for me it is.

August 3rd, 2005, 22:24	#9
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,503	Re: When to go missed? [ QUOTE ] I believe it's 5 degrees off course, although holding five degrees on an NDB, especially with a nice crosswind is like 500+ yard sharpshooting with a rifle. [/ QUOTE ] That's easy, my friend! Any 17 year-old Marine Corps recruit can hit a target center mass at 500 years!!

August 3rd, 2005, 23:16	#10
PanJet Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WA Posts: 556	Re: When to go missed? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I believe it's 5 degrees off course, although holding five degrees on an NDB, especially with a nice crosswind is like 500+ yard sharpshooting with a rifle. [/ QUOTE ] That's easy, my friend! Any 17 year-old Marine Corps recruit can hit a target center mass at 500 years!! [/ QUOTE ] Ok, well, I've never been able to perfectly steady a rifle (I'm not military either) and haven't been that great with them, which probably explains my NDB approach precision. Besides, I was referring to targets the size of a small fist.

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